On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:59:25 -0700, Don Y
wrote:

On 10/17/2015 3:30 PM, Vic Smith wrote:

If MS does anything illegal, I'm sure the feds will jump on them.
There are plenty of people "spying" on MS too.

I don't think the issue is MS breaking the law. Rather, I think
Mayayana is lamenting the lack of concern folks have for personal
privacy.


Well, I'm not concerned beyond what I can reasonably control.
And most people are aware of these "privacy issues."
Mayanaya presumes everybody who uses Win10 is a dope.
Anyway, that's my impression. Could be wrong.

I tend to be obsessive about privacy issues -- yet am not about to
move to a cabin in the back woods (drawing even MORE attention to
myself!) just to avoid these "data leaks".

I don't plan on doing anything illegal, but if I do I sure as hell
won't do it on my computer.

You may not be doing anything technically *illegal* -- yet not want
knowledge of that to become available to others!

My (ex)BinL was "fishing in someone else's pond". When my sister
suspected this, we sat down with his cell phone records, ATM
cards, credit cards, etc. -- i.e., all of the bills that my sister
routinely paid. Instead of just looking at the "Pay this amount"
line, we started looking at the items *listed* as part of that total.


He should have been more careful. But that just shows that such
transactional data has been a "privacy" issue for a long time.
Hell, I didn't give my SSN or DOB to anybody but employers, and
had absolutely no credit history 40 years ago. Yet I got a letter
from my state showing I had been drawing unemployment when I was not.
I reported it, and that ended that.

snip

Likewise, his facebook page, etc.

Technically, no evidence of any *laws* being broken. But, I can assure
you, he wasn't happy that this information was "available" to others!


Uh, his wife. And he should have known that.
You can't cure stupid.

Anyway, I'm not pro or anti MS. It just IS.
You apparently don't like MS.

As I said upthread, I don't see the alarm in complaining that MS is doing
something that others figured out LONG BEFORE MS!


Of course.
And there's a difference here. MS doesn't have my SSN or any other
critical information. They have my IP address.
I've probably done a thousand online CC transactions over the years,
and not been burned once.
Of course others haven't been so "lucky."
OTOH, Amazon, Newegg, Home Depot et al have my CC number.
An unethical person with one of those firms can pull a credit report
and get my SSN. Whatareyougonnado?
You can have no credit and only deal in cash. But a camera will track
you in that 7-11 and see you buying a Hustler magazine.
Did you see the 1980 flick "Atlantic City" staring Burt Lancaster?
He was an over-the-hill hoodlum who dealt in cash only. He was in the
process of going on the lam with a young woman, and she said something
like this:
"They can track us."
"Nah. don't worry about it."
"They'll track us by your credit card number."
"Nah, I don't have a credit card."
"Then they'll track us by your social security number."
"Nah. I don't have a social security number."
Only time I really felt jealousy watching a movie.
Probably had just done my taxes.