On Thursday, 24 September 2015 21:07:54 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/09/2015 16:17, whisky-dave wrote:


And most of them don't use film for a good reason, digital is now
better than film in just about everything.

Yes I agree but that isn't the point, the point is which is best for
teaching photography and most peole that teach it seem to prefer
film.

The best for teaching photography is a camera and digital gives you the
results when you need to see the results.

But isn't as good for teaching photgraphy.


If you want to teach darkroom techniques then use film.

well you'd need a darkroom too.

You could also simulate it with an app, you wouldn't need a darkroomm to teach darkroom techniques. But I'm bettign if teaching darkroom technigues you'r be better off in a parkroom than on a PC simulation.




Photography is the art of taking pictures not printing them.

Photography is the art of use light to form an image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography


People who insist that it needs film to be a photographer are
living in the past. Photography is a wide subject and photography
with film is a very narrow bit of it.

yes but teaching it isn't In the same way when I went on a course 30
years ago we were given manual cameras for a good reason. we could
have got good pictures just by setting my A1 to P mode No one would
have had to learn what an aperature was or what shutter speed or ASA
or ISO was, I wouldn't need to know what DoF was or what a correct
exposure was, but as we were meant to learn photography rather than
how to take photos those sort of things are important even today.

Whats that got to do with film vs digital?
Digitals can be manual the same as film can be automatic.

which digital camera would you choose for teaching photography ?
could you treach photography without a battery ?
Can you take a photo without the aid of electricity ?





Some can get good images without even using a camera.

Its not photography without a camera.

correct so you need a camera.
A PC can produre photographs, but we don't think of them in that way.

It is photography without film.

Camera obscura that doesn't have film or a lens nearly 1000 years ago.



Yet again you are trying to make out that digital does it all for you.

It does most of it for you.


This is plain wrong you may as well say film cameras do it all for you
if you buy one that only does auto.

film does not change it's sensitity, contrast, colour/monochrome, fast/slow
by pressing a button on it.
With film you have to know what you want before you even load it into the camera. Sure it's more convinet and useful to be able to change your mind after taking the photo has it's advantages but does it make you better at the job.


If you think the ability to analyze the image on digital makes you a
worse photographer then you don't understand photography.

and if you think having a digital camera means you're a better photography .....