On 8/30/2015 12:50 PM, bob haller wrote:

The U.S. Government could ask the Chinese, Israelis and even some old East
Germans for help closing the Southern border. The fraking Romans built two
walls across what is now Great Britain before 200AD so maybe we could ask
The Italians for some help with a wall? It's not like borders haven't been
closed before. ^_^

so how many of these previous walls were successful?

I'd wager *none* (folks claiming otherwise will state that when the walls
*were* breached, they had already fallen into disuse, etc.).

A static fortification is of very little use -- esp in the 21st century.

i think the southern border wall should be a pair of walls 200 feet high.
200 feet deep to discourage tunneling , make the walls 2 miles apart with
sensors to detect tunneling, put a lethal voltage electric fence between the
2 walls. make the surface between the walls impossible to walk on....

And, do it all for ZERO cost! : Along with zero *maintenance* costs!

with rough rocks, razor wire, motion detectors etc..... add some auto fire
guns to kill anyone in the dead zone.....

a few miles from the wall put up a high fence so that anyone who wants to
tunnel will have to dig a 5 mile tunnel.

Why? Come out of the ground, walk those few miles, then start digging, again!

of course then illegals will use boats along the coasts, and just walk
across the canadian border......

Exactly. Or, get smuggled in a suitcase, wade across the Rio Grande, etc.

possibly more practical will be a nationwide secure id system.

Won't happen. Because it can too easily be LOGICALLY applied to all
sorts of *other* problems that the folks who want to curb immigration
*don't* want "solved"!

No more carrying multiple driver's licenses -- it would be too easy
to know that you had a valid license in some *other* locality and
AUTOMATICALLY notify them that you now have a *new* license, "here".

Gun checks?? (NRA would scream like a stuck pig: national database
of gun owners???)

Hiring undocumented workers? No, you'd have to hire "guest workers"
who would probably end up having LEGAL RIGHTS (so you couldn't
threaten them with deportation, etc.)

Professionals (doctors, lawyere, etc.) whose licenses have been revoked in
one jurisdiction wandering to another and getting a *fresh* license.

"Off the books" financial transactions? Provide your ID to register
the transfer of monies (so Uncle Sam can see who's got what).

Etc.

photos, retinal scan, fingerprints, DNA sample, along with a ID chip that
can be read from a distance.....

Remote reading is prone to exploit. Do you carry your (new) passport (RFID)
in an unshielded case? Ditto certain credit cards?

Do you want Big Brother installing readers on every street corner to
track the movement of peoples? (instead of having to rely on more
costly facial recognition)

anyone wanting to get a job will have to present their papers and put their
hand on a iD reader. this would replace credit cards, much more convenient