On 8/5/2015 2:16 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 2:28:06 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 8/5/2015 12:42 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 12:38:57 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 8/5/2015 7:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:

YOU immediately started the BS about statistics
not showing who's right, who's wrong. Then you went on to lying,
falsely claiming that I used those numbers to claim that man is responsible.
I did no such thing. I did say that all the science I've seen from
credible sources, news reports, etc do put man as responsible. And then,
because you lie, I even separated the two things out for you in a
subsequent post. I said from the standpoint of not shooting lions to
cut off their heads, it matters not a wit how the lions because endangered.
But you just drone on and lie, which is why you're the new village idiot.

First you say you didn't claim man was responsible, and then you say man
is responsible based on "science, credible sources, news reports". Make
up your mind.


See, there you go lying again. One more time, idiot. I SAID THAT
I NEVER INTRODUCED NOR USED THE LION NUMBERS TO SHOW THAT MAN IS RESPONSIBLE.
I separately said that almost everyone, yourself excluded, knows that
man is in fact responsible. See how that works? How they are two
different things? Good grief.

The problem with making such a statement is there if no way for you to
know what "everyone else" knows/believes. Yet, you insert that into
your argument to bolster your view. That's wrong, imo.

Instead of obfuscating and lying, why don't you just answer the simple
question:

Given that lions have declined from 400,000 to 16,000, are endangered,
almost extinct in West Africa and Asia, have lost most of the land
areas they once had, do you think it's a good idea to be killing
them to hang on walls for amusement? YES or NO.

I can't honestly say yes or no as to whether it's a good idea or not.
The locals don't care if another lion is killed and are puzzled by why
Some Americans care so much about it. If they don't care and it's in
their own back yard, why don't they care? Are the lions eating their
livestock or attacking their families?

Do you agree that man is responsible for almost all the species that
are currently endangered? YES or NO.

No, I don't agree.

[...]

Then you went off into trying to support your own personal
need to destroy the man, and attack his character.

-He and similar are definitely sickos.
-I hope he gets everything he deserves.
-I don't care if he's guilty of a crime or not. He deserves to be
ostracized, criticized and shamed for what he did, whether it's
specifically a crime or not.
-I'm just disgusted that anyone is sick enough to go shoot a dwindling
species
-This guy, IMO, is a sicko.
-No one is going for blood.


And I stand by that. Again, note that it has nothing to do
with the factual numbers of the decline in lions. Nor did I say
I wanted to destroy the man. Stop lying.

I quoted your own words. What happens when someone is ostracized,
criticized and shamed by millions of people at the same time? Don't you
know that can destroy someone?? Or are you oblivious to the consequences
of your own actions?



Then you present your statistics along side your personal viewpoint in
an effort to bolster your response and justify everything you've said.
IOW, you tried to use the statistics to back up your viewpoint of how
hunting the lion and killing it equates to "sick" behavior that deserves
severe consequences.


That's because those numbers *do* exactly that. Good grief.

So, you DID try to use statistics to support your viewpoint.

When you have an endangered species, where there are 16,000 today
versus 400,000 fifty years ago, to any thinking rational person,
it's not a good idea to kill more of them to hang on the wall.
It is indeed very, very sick.

"Sick" is relative to the personal experiences and conclusions
individuals come to based on their past. When you make such judgements
it kind of shows your level of intolerance of other people, and your
willingness to judge people harshly based on your own personal biases.

And note, one more time, that has NOTHING to do with how the numbers
got there, idiot.



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Maggie