On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:23:06 -0500, Muggles wrote:

On 8/1/2015 3:15 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:52:48 -0500, Muggles wrote:

On 8/1/2015 2:49 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:27:42 -0500, Muggles wrote:

On 8/1/2015 1:54 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 12:41:27 -0500, Muggles wrote:

On 8/1/2015 12:32 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 12:11:14 -0500, Muggles wrote:

The only grounds to legitimately judge him on are whether or not he knew
it was a protected lion (if he could see the tracking collar or not),
and if it was a legal or illegal hunt. If it was an illegal hunt, then
he should pay that penalty for an illegal hunt, not be judged because he
used the same methods to hunt that other hunters have used for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_%28lion%29#Criminal_investigations


Interesting situation. Who is responsible for the outcome in a situation
where guides were hired and the expectation was that they have
everything in order? Palmer isn't from Africa and probably had that
expectation seeing that he paid $50k for the hunt.

It is Palmer's responsibility to vet the guide, hunting zones,
validate permits and local laws. Just as you would vet his dental
credentials and reputation before you visit his office. Same as if
you hire a contractor to work on your property. He cannot claim to be
the victim here. He didn't do his due diligence. Period.


Maybe he tried, maybe he didn't. Either way he hired someone else to do
a job for him with the expectation that person new the ins and outs
where he didn't know those things. Sometimes things just suck.

Regardless, it is still Palmer's responsibility to validate the facts.


I suppose a man can only do what he knows to do and then can still screw
up. People aren't perfect.

Nobody has even suggested people are perfect. You seem to have a lot
of 'expectations' from people, they know how to do work on your home
but dismiss the responsibly from Palmer, an educated man, knowing and
trained in ethics. He knew exactly what he was doing by neglect and
avoided his responsibility to research, verify, validate the people he
hired. His penis got in the way, so he could kill an exotic game
animal for a trophy. Keep diggin' that hole.


Being an educated man with money doesn't mean he doesn't hire people to
do a job and expect them to do that job.

Keep digging that hole. Dismiss HIS responsibility to satisfy your
position.

IMO, murderers, rapists, and sex offenders are worse people and deserve
the kind of attention that people are wasting on Palmer.

Now you have punted and compared those with him. Trying to justify
what he did as acceptable behavior. Tell the class how his behavior is
equal.