"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 08:20:30 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
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On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 9:33:20 PM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
You need to stick to the facts. This had nothing to do with them
refusing to go to their reception. It was pure bigotry based on
religion. They refused to sell a cake to a lesbian couple. Just as in
the south in the 50's businesses refused to do business with Blacks.
They violated the law. It's that simple.
http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/03/sweet...lissa-damages/
From your own source, the judge said they refused to provide
"wedding cake services". Typically, wedding cake services include
delivering the cake, setting it up at the reception. I took it
to mean it was more than just picking up a cake, so you might be
right on that point. But to me it doesn't matter. And where is your
lib outrage at the illegal, unconstitutional gag order the court
put on the bakers?
He didn't put a 'gag order' on them. He did limit their ability to
tell lies.
The story gets so distorted in the right-wing press that it's hard to tell
what went on without referring to the official documents in the case. They
were barred from recommending to others that they, too, disobey the law.
They also were not "fined" - that $135,000 was what BOLI decided was the
value for the emotional harm done to the gay couple. The same is true about
the alleged "gag" order - which is actually an order to cease and desist
their discriminatory comments.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...discrimin.html
1. What's all this about a gag order?
In addition to awarding damages, the final order directs the Kleins to cease
and desist from discriminating in violation of Oregon law.
"The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron
and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing
or displaying, or causing to be published ... any communication to the
effect that any of the accommodations ... will be refused, withheld from or
denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account
of their sexual orientation," Avakian wrote.
It's common in civil rights cases to include such language directed at
business owners, said Charlie Burr, a spokesman for BOLI. "That's what this
order says."
The baker's attorney sees things differently, but note carefully what she
says about "cease and desist":
Anna Harmon, a lawyer for the Kleins, sharply disagreed.
" BOLI has issued a cease and desist order which is effectively a gag order
keeping the Kleins from talking with the media and expressing their personal
beliefs and opinions about this case," she said in an emailed statement to
reporters that was picked up by The Daily Signal and other conservative
publications.
"Effectively a gag order?" No, as she herself admits, it's a C&D order. And
some observers feel it's narrowly worded enough to pass Constitutional
muster. Others differ. The appellate process will determine whose view is
the correct one.
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Bobby G.