On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 2:58:18 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 9:08:55 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:41:45 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:45:07 -0400, micky
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:56:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 2:29:15 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:
You must be careful to let it cool before turning it on. And if it has a re=
movable battery, remove it first. Batteries in cell phones and other electr=
onics have thermal fuses or polyfuses that could brick a battery if it gets=
too hot. Turning on a hot smart phone can damage the CPU which is a proble=
m that GM is addressing with its design for an AC cooled compartment for ph=
ones that will be built into the dash of new GM vehicles. 8-)
So will the AC will have to run int he winter too? Including the
full-size compressor? Since the dash is in the passgenger compartment,
warmed by the heater?
...snip...
There is nothing wrong with using the A/C in the winter.
It costs money.
The owner's manual for both of my Hondas (and maybe my other cars too, I don't recall) specifically say that the A/C can be used year round to remove moisture from the vehicle to keep the windows clear.
That's more important than charging the phone.
In fact, the Honda manuals state that the A/C automatically comes on when the Defroster setting is selected.
Yeah, mine might do that too, but I almost always turn it off.
Except you cannot turn off the AC without shutting off the defroster..
Not on my Lebaron or Toyota. Each had/has a separate AC button.
Are you sure that you are actually turning it off?
Pretty sure.
My Honda manuals state that if the A/C was not on prior to turning on the defroster, the A/C will come on but the A/C indicator will *not* illuminate.
I don't think either of my car manuals said anything like that. The
Lebaron manual is around here somewhere, but the car itself is in a
beautiful graveyard in the Smoky Mountains, overlooking the Piedmont and
the rising sun. So I can't check it, but I can check the Toyota.
I quote:
"Select Defrost. The system automatically switches to fresh air mode and turns on the A/C. The indicator in the A/C button will not come on (LX model), or the A/C ON indicator will not come on (EX, EX-L and Touring models), if the A/C was off to start with."
I'm 99.9% sure my AC indicator DOES come on when I push the Defrost
button, and then it goes out when I push the AC button.
Another test woudl be whethe the air is warmer after the AC light goes
off, but that can be hard to tell. Just yesterday, I noticed that even
though it was a warm day, the air from the vents seemed cooler than I
expected, even though neither the Defrost or the AC was on.
So, even though you say there is a separate A/C button in your vehicles (BTW I don't know of any vehicles where there *isn't* a separate A/C control) how do you know that you are actually turning it off? In my Hondas, the system apparently overrides the A/C button.
If you read, _Hondas and Satanic Rituals_, by James Mephiisto you'll
see that the Honda is the most deceitful of all car makes. This is not
the first time its indicators have failed to tailed to tell the truth.
Honda Corp is our friend and benefactor.
"How Snapdragon and Honda are working to save lives with smartphones"
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdr...es-smartphones
OTOH, in _Toyota and the Angels_ Maryann Faithful writes at length
about how Toyotas will leave their parking places at night to deliver
food for poor people.
My neighbor just bought a 2015 Toyota Camry. The big black grill opening on that thing is enough to scare small children and the elderly. As a matter of fact, I've noticed a decline in the amount of wildlife in my neighborhood since he brought it home. I think Toyota may have gone over to the dark side since Ms. Faithful penned her praises.
Sending almost all the air onto the windshiled stays the same, and iirc
the fan speed is within my control.
I'm not sure what either of those comments have to do with the A/C being on or off when the Defroster is running.
It has to do with the defrost running. Whether I'm right ot not, I'd
already said that the AC was off.
True, but regardless of the A/C being on or off, I still don't see how your comment "Sending almost all the air onto the windshiled (sic) stays the same" relates to this issue. Turning the A/C on or off, either manually or automagically, isn't going to change where the air flows as long as the defroster is on.
The same holds for "and iirc the fan speed is within my control." So what? Why is that relevant to this discussion?
The Defroster mode is going to send "almost all the air onto the windshield" by virtue of the positioning of the air flow control doors, regardless of whether the A/C is on or not.
And that's most of what makes it Defrost mode.
Uh...yeah. That still doesn't explain how your comments related to air flow and fan control have anything to do with the A/C being on or off in Defrost mode.
I suppose it takes longer to defrost without the AC but it still does
it.
Now, that would be your test: Simulate the exact conditions under which you get a specific amount of frost on your windshield. Then use the defroster in what you believe to be 2 different modes: A/C on and A/C off. Let us know what happens. We'll wait.
You know I can't do that, because it takes a night of sitting there to
have frost or even fog on the windshield. There's no reason to
expect the next morning's supply of those things will be the same.
Oh course I do. I'll try to warn you the next time I am being facetious.
Anyhow, I admit it would take longer. I don't care exactly how much
longer. But you can test and get back to us.
No I can't, for the reasons I stated earlier. Unless my manual is lying to me, I cannot turn off my A/C when the defroster is on. It is you who has the believe that you can control the A/C when the defroster is on, therefore you are the only one that can test it. I'm not saying you are wrong in your believe, only in your assertion that it is something *I* can test.
Perhaps he subscribes to that infamous economic practice of "saving money r=
egardless of the costs". ;-)
Of course not, but there is no cost.
First, based on the use of the smiley, I'm sure you realize that I was joking. However, there is a cost. Unless you do not drive until the windows are perfectly clear and you pull over if they fog up while driving, then there is the "cost" of safety. Sure, if you never have an accident, then there is no real cost, but there is the potential.
Not only that, there is no
benefit to have it on once the windshiled is clear, but I've been known
to drive for hours in defrost mode. Turning off the AC makes sure the
AC is off.
So your windows have never fogged up after they have initially cleared? Perhaps that is because the A/C was actually on for all those hours while you were in defrost mode.