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On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 9:42:04 PM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 11:03:22 PM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
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On 7/8/2015 3:20 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:51:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
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http://allenwestrepublic.com/2015/07...ependence-day/


Published on July 2nd, 2015 | by Allen West Republic


Here is a list of the Top 5 Things Liberals Never
Remember ON Independence Day



2. It was about Religious Freedom: What the ACLU
was once FOR, they are now AGAINST. They are using
a made up accusation of discrimination to prevent
the actual practice of religious convictions.



How come it's acceptable to be a bigot if you do it in the name of
your religion?

Why do you consider practicing ones freedom of choice to be equivalent
to being a bigot?

If baking a "gay cake" is offensive because my bible
tells me that why should the religious person get to refuse service

Business owners should have the right to determine what sort of services
they will offer and not offer. If baking a "gay cake" isn't a service
they offer, why should anyone try to usurp the business owners rights to
what services they will provide? A straight person might also want to
order a "gay cake" and they would also be turned down.

The service would be equally denied to straight or gay people. There
would not be anything illegal in doing so.

but someone who is not religious but also finds gays offensive not be
similarly allowed to refuse them the service? And if my bible says
blacks are inferior why should I be able to refuse service to blacks.


The race argument is moot.

No the race argument isn't moot. You want religious belief to be able
to be able to trump the law. Which is why you are against being
"forced" to bake a gay cake.

No one is saying religious freedom trumps the law. I'm against
anyone being forced to bake a cake period. Sounds like Stalin,
Kim Jung Un or Hitler to me.


And if the religion says blacks are
inferior, as some do,

Which religion is that?


you would have to also say religious people
could refuse anything having to do with blacks.

I'd be fine with that, for the reasons I previously described.
There is no widespread discrimination today, and the heavy handed
politically correct "enforcement", where you force people to
bake cakes, is worse than any problem with black discrimination.
If discrimination were totally legal, do you think Walmart
is going to put up a sign, "no blacks"? The local hardware
store where you live? A gas station. Sure there would be a few
idiots someplace that would want to screw their businesses and
do it. But, so what? You libs want to pretend that you can
eliminate every wrong, every place, by the most draconian means,
even when it's hardly a problem today.

You would want your
religious beliefs to be able to trump ANY law that you claimed
infringed on your beliefs. So what makes religious bigotry "special",
why can't a non-religious bigot have the same choice to refuse service
for things they don't like, like gays or blacks etc.

I say they should be able to. It's called freedom. Problem solved.

Say whatever you want. Your still a bigot because there is no
business related reason you would refuse service to gays or blacks.

Stick to the facts. I'm not a bigot, because I wouldn't choose to
refuse service to gays or blacks. It's just I'm not of the mindset
to use the heavy hand of govt to force everyone to think the way I
do, behave exactly the way I do, etc. If one baker in Oregon wants
to refuse to bake a gay wedding cake, there are 99.9% of other bakers
who will welcome their business. Probably many that, having learned
what happened, would do it for free too. In other words, there is no real
problem. And unlike you libs, I like a rainbow of diversity, where
people are free. I have no compelling need to find non-problems and
crush people with govt. The race baiters and big lib govt types, they
always have the need.

BTW, where is your lib outrage at the unconstitutional gag order
the court put on them? THAT alone shows where the bigger problem is.

There is no "gag order". Go back and read the link I posted again.


What BUSINESS reason would a business owner have for refusing service
to gays or blacks? If you can't come up with one then you are a bald
faced bigot racist if you think it would be alright to refuse service
to gays, blacks, etc. Just to make sure you understand the question,
no one is saying that if someone can't pay for the product you must
still 'sell and deliver" it to them. Clearly, inability to pay is a
BUSINESS reason to refuse to "do business" with someone. Likewise, if
someone say's "My watch is worth $20 (and it really is worth at least
that) so sell me that $20 radio for this watch" you are not required
to take anything but legal tender so refusing to sell to that guy is a
legitimate BUSINESS reason for refusing.

So the deal that's made between YOU, the business owner, and the
society you live within is that you will not be a racist bigot in your
business dealings and that your religious beliefs won't get to trump
the laws.

Religious beliefs are part of the core reason we have freedom of
religion mentioned in the Constitution. If someones religious beliefs
tell them they can't do something, it doesn't matter if you want to call
them a "racist bigot". It doesn't make them a racist bigot.

They still have that freedom of religion and should be allowed to
practice their religion. If gays want a wedding cake, and it violates
someone's religious beliefs to promote gay marriage, then refusing to
make that cake for that marriage is part of their religious freedom.
That business owner is still free to sell baked goods to anyone, even gays.


Yes, you are giving up your freedom to be a racist bigot in

You're free to conclude whatever you like, but it doesn't mean you're
right. Using the "racist bigot" card is a catch-all for labeling people
who don't go with the flow and have their own beliefs they want to
practice. It does no good to label people simply because someone
doesn't walk your particular pc line. That's just a cop out.

exchange for being able to have a business in THIS society. You are
restricted to having BUSINESS reasons for how you run your business,
not religious reasons.

I know you don't like it. Too bad.




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Maggie