On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:11:56 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

I'm saying the business men, farmers and such in the north were
forced to free their slaves once the Amendment was approved.

Martin

Right, but that was no more than 7% of the number of slaves in the
South. It was not the economic basis of the North's economy. Most of
the northern states had abolished slavery before the Civil War,
although in some states, like NJ, slavery was "abolished" in 1823, but
actually remained in effect until 1865.

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Ed Huntress


On 7/8/2015 9:36 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 21:12:22 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

The Radical Senate and House and then the states voted the Amendment
to become part of the constitution.

That's what I was suggesting. The North held the power. The
governments of the southern states were re-formed by delegations
approved by President Johnson. These were the "Reconstruction
Governments." In other words, puppet governments constrained by the
North.

So when you say that the North "was forced to give freedom to slaves,"
it's a contradiction in facts. It was the North that *voted* for
freedom for slaves. The southern states that also ratified the 13th
Amendment were run by northern-puppet governments.


Naturally who was left in the
South? Who was active in the Senate and House that came from the
south ? Jailed or run off or dead.

They had governments, ones that were "approved" by Johnson, and they
voted.


White indentured servants are slaves to the master.

No. Different laws. Their lives were protected much more than those of
slaves.

It might be
10, 20 or lifetime.

Show us an example. The standard term of indenture usually was five
years, although it varied with the cost of passage that was being paid
for.

And the work load was high and mean in many
cases.

Sure.

Remember the poor Irish - no money to begin with - indentured.
They were often beat and treated like trash.

Right.


The blacks in the north that were slaves were not freed by the
Gettysburg address (a speech) and didn't end when Atlanta was burned.
They were freed only after the constitution amendment came about.

Correct. But the North wasn't "forced" to give them up. It was the
North that VOTED to give them up.