In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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It's also odd that some insist on secret ballots where they feel ever so
sure it would benefit their narrow views, but on one of the most
fundamental principles of UK justice, the jury system, such a vote is
open.

I don't think the *show of hands* in the jury system is that close to
either a union decision or parliamentary procedure. The jurors have no
interest in the outcome.

Could you explain your logic behind that comment?

Have you escaped jury service?

Basically the elected foreman chairs the discussion which generally goes
over the summing up given by the judge. Jury members are each invited to
put forward their own views of the case. The average jury will have
members from all walks of life and initially views diverge dramatically.
Gradually views change as the arguments continue. From time to time, the
foreman will ask for a show of hands guilty/not guilty/undecided. The
*no interest in the outcome* is a requirement of jury selection. If the
jurors are biased then the trial result is unsafe.

Basically they wish any goalposts moved in an attempt to get the result
they want. Regardless if it is a majority view or not.



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Tim Lamb