On 20/06/15 11:45, John Chance wrote:
Then let's go back to a free
trade arrangement, with agreements freely entered into by the *people*
in referendums

How odd that that was the situation which produced two world wars
and quite a few wars before that in europe. And not one since the EU
was established.

Actually it was the situation that daffiodils are yellow, that produced
WWI and WWII.

No I am wrong, it was the lack of decent contraception.

No, it wasn't that, it was the lack of education in the working classes.

No, it wasn't that, it was that God was dead.

JE- ****ing - SUS you are absolutely INSANE if you think that a simple
political and trade arrangement that was inevitable at that time was
anything to do more than anything else with WWII.

WWII happened because it could, and because people who were in positions
to start or stop it chose to start it, for a variety of reasons. For
Germany, and for Japan, it was the end game of a process of trying to
come to terms with the 19th and 20th century expansion of Western
civilisation:

Ultimately it was pure competition for resources for both.

Without WWII Germany would have been what Greece is now. They stole
immense wealth from Greece, which was never repaid, lost the war and
wiped out their debts. They also carried out enough ethnic cleansing to
ensure that Germany became a post war monoculture stripped of all diversity.

And used other peoples money to rebuild their industrial base whilst
Britain and France spent more than they could afford to protect them
from the Russians.



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