"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 May 2015 08:06:58 +1000, Simon263 wrote:

If only we were more like Norway and Switzerland, who have no control
over their non-EU migration at all...

Both do have quite a bit of control over non EU migrants who do crime
in their country and Norway has kicked quite a few of them out of
their country.

Just as the UK (or, indeed, any EU country) can do with people from
other EU countries.

So your original 'have no control over their non-EU migration at all...'
is wrong.

shrug
OK, so when the 'kippers say that the UK has no control over EU
migration, they're also wrong...

Yes they are.

But neither Switzerland nor Norway have any control at all over
migration before that point. Somebody from somewhere cannot apply for a
Swiss or a Norwegian visa. They apply for a Schengen visa.

They still have control over people who end up in their country who do
engage in criminal activity or who lied in their application for a
Schengen visa.

If somebody lies on their Schengen visa application, the visa would be
withdrawn centrally

Not necessarily, that depends on who finds out that it was a lie.

- so, again, that's not Switzerland or Norway having any control.

That is not correct when one of those countries discovers that an
individual has lied on the Schengen visa application.

An Albanian (say) can live and work in Switzerland or Norway for 90 days
out of every 180 without any visa at all, and the government of those
countries can do nothing to stop him unless and until he's convicted of a
crime serious enough to warrant deportation.

So they clearly do have some control over that immigrant.

But he can't even visit the
UK as a tourist for a weekend without a mountain of prohibitive
bureaucracy.

Irrelevant to what you got wrong.