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hill.co.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Mon, 11 May 2015 11:11:59 +0100, gareth wrote:

As these things seem to rot at ground level and just below but not
above, then perhaps the remedy is to seal with bath sealant
where the
post enters the concrete,

Don't use concrete it just traps water in the timber. It's not needed
anyway provided there is enough post in the ground and the soil well
firmed in from the base of the hole up when the post is installed.

... and then smear further sealant up the post for a further couple
of inches above ground level to prevent extended contact with water?

It's not so much the water as the availabilty of water that is the
problem. Posts rot at or just above the ground level as that is where
the conditions are "just right" for the wood rot fungi/bacteria WHY
to thrive. In the ground is generally too wet, up in the air too dry.
Capilary action from the wet timber in the ground to the dry timber
in the air maintains a damp gradient and the just right conditions
along that gradient.

All I can see sealing doing is moving the position of the just right
conditions. Well treated, good quality, timber preferably pressure
treated with CCA (if that hasn't been banned...) or submerge the
posts in proper creosote for 24/48 hours or at the very least stand
the ends in creosote to at least a foot above where the ground level
will be again fro 24/48 hours. A good couple of liberaly brushed on
coats of creosote for the in air portion.

It might be worth considering drilling a hole (1/4" to 1/2") to
the depth of the centre of the post - about 3" above the ground,
and at an angle of 45 degrees. Every so often, top it up with
your favourite preservative (several fills, and allow the
preservative to soak in well), then fit a water-tight bung.

You'd think that if that was a useful approach, someone would
have tried it and found it works better than not doing that and
the word would have got out about that by now.

It's amazing how many things are not used simply because no one has
thought of them - or if they have, hasn't bothered to try them.

Not with something as common as rotting wooden fence posts.

Presumably it doesn't work because you need to
pressure treat wood for the preservative to work.

This is intended to 'top up' the original pressure treatment
(which, of course, doesn't last for ever).

Sure, but if it doesn't soak into the wood when not
under pressure, there will be nothing to top up.

If unpressurised water can permeate the wood,

It's doing that with the outside of the post.

so can preservative.

Not necessarily with a hole inside the post.

Even if it doesn't help, it's unlikely to do any harm.

Sure, but it is unlikely to stop the wood rotting
where it is in contact with wet soil or concrete.

If you fill up the hole, and leave it for an hour or so, you will
probably find that the preservative has vanished.

Unlikely, and if it does, your scheme won't work because
you'd have to keep filling it up again every hour.

You're completely missing the point. As the wood becomes more saturated,
the preservative takes progressively longer to disappear. If it
continues to disappear, the wood is very porous - which is probably an
indication that it won't last long without continual TLC.

Where has it gone? Has it evaporated? No - it has soaked into the wood.

If it's gone in an hour, it's much more likely it has run out a crack.

In which case, you should take care to choose better posts when you next
buy some.

So you top it up a few times more, until it the wood has absorbed as
much as it can.

Which is very unlikely to be anywhere near the
outside of the post which is where it will rot.

There's a reason posts are pressure treated.

But it doesn't last for ever. Even telegraph poles have a rot-by date.

If you repeat the treatment once in a while - especially when the
post is getting a bit old and the original preservative is becoming
less effective, I think you'll find that it will forestall the evil
day when the rot eventually begins to set in.

It won't. That is why posts are pressure treated.

Which doesn't last for ever.

However, I will leave you to bow to your superior experiences in such
matters.



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Ian