"Dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 02/05/2015 00:22, Simon Brown wrote:


"Dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 01/05/2015 20:26, Simon Brown wrote:

It looks like the Unix kernel, it quacks like the Unix kernel, its a
copy.

Not given what has changed since then.

What's changed in the kernel used on PCs that makes them not a copy of
Unix?

I wasnt talking about just the kernel.

So stop referring to linux, that is only the kernel!

No thanks, its a useful shorthand.

Give some credit to the people that actually make the software work rather
than Linus.

I never said anything about Linus.

You do know linux is only the kernel?

Its much more complicated than that, particularly
with what is used on smartphones.

You will find they use kernels based on Linux, i.e. not linux but some
derivative that has different memory management, etc.

Still comes from Linux.

That's like saying the program we replace init and all the other stuff
needed to boot unix with is unix,

Nothing like in fact.

it wasn't it did a specific job of getting the application up and running
much faster than using the traditional methods. It was done by ripping the
source out of the various programs executed and combining it into one, it
took more than 50% off the boot time.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

The open source software written to use Linux is quite capable of
running on other OSes,

I wasnt talking about that, I was talking about the open source Linux.

So you are only talking about a kernel,

No, the totality of Linux and the derivatives.

But all the derivatives of Linux are kernels and nothing more.

Wrong with what is used on smartphones and tablets.

what use is that, it doesn't do
anything useful, its the other stuff like ed, vi, gnome, etc. that
does useful stuff and that isn't Linux and doesn't need Linux.

It is in fact much more complicated than that,
particularly with what is used on smartphones.

They use a kernel based on Linux and a load of other stuff not based on
Linux how is that any different?

Still a useful advance on what was there before.

That is ALL I ever said about it.

I will repeat for the final time..

You can repeat this irrelevant line till you are
blue in the face if you like, changes nothing.

linux is not an OS it is a kernel written, at first, by Linus.

I never said anything about that.

The bits that make it an OS are open source software developed by others

I never said anything about who did it.

and they do not need Linux to run,

Never said anything about that either.

just a unix like kernel and windows is close enough for the majority of
software to work.

Irrelevant to what is being discussed, whether
Linux is a worthwhile advance on what was
there before because it was open source.

https://www.freebsd.org/ is a unix OS that, in the main, uses the same
open source software and a different kernel, it is not linux and its what
Apple use, not linux.

Irrelevant to what is being discussed, whether Linux
is a useful advance on what was there before it.