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Tim w wrote:
On 28/04/2015 21:17, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim w
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On 28/04/2015 20:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/04/15 19:46, alan_m wrote:
On 28/04/2015 17:24, Capitol wrote:

It looks like snake oil. The efficiency of the process is not
mentioned. What is the cost per litre of production?

And how much energy is required in the production? I also suspect
that
the "direct air capture" is a heavily subsidised processes looking
for a
market for the output.

Its just more technobollox trying to keep the green wet dream alive.

Like all green****e, its technically possible and commercially
catastrophic.

People like you with no vision, no faith and no hope for the future
are living walking tragedies.

Well that may be true but doesn't alter reality. Reality isn't
interested in faith, hope, or vision.


That kind of wilful ignorance is just dumb posturing. I take it you have
some kind of education? and know something about history, culture and
the world. You know that Coleridge didn't take up poetry because he
thought it would be an easy way to earn a few Bob? You know that Fascism
wasn't defeated in Europe by people dreaming of a world of ready-meals
and Ant and Dec? That the great acheivements of humanity like the
emancipation of slaves and the eradication of smallpox were all
victories fought by people who didn't accept the shallow, complacent
wisdom that said 'That's just the reality'? But still you pretend you
can't see beyond your own nose and that change in the world is driven by
the relentless petty choices of small minded people always selecting the
cheapest option. You know it isn't. Change comes about through vision
and imagination and belief in our ability to bring it about. You know
that already.

Tim W

Change often comes about by accident or by reinvestigating an anomaly
from past results. The chances of getting this fuel process to be
economic IMO are close to zero. Very few people achieve major worthwhile
change by design. Cold fusion seems to be a good case in point. Hope for
the future comes from the young who just don't know it isn't possible.
When a process is economically sound, it will happen, until then nothing
will change. Lithium batteries are a good example. Slavery died out
largely because it was uneconomic, as much as for any other reason. The
majority of people will try to choose the cheapest long term solution, as
that's all they can afford.

Slavery died out because of cheap fossil fuel

Slavery died out in the first world long
before there was any cheap fossil fuel.

coupled with technology.

Yes, technology was the main cause of
the demise of slavery in the first world.

A situation rapidly changing.

No. Its still the reason that slavery isn't useful anymore
and always will be, particularly with technology. Even
domestic slaves have no real use now that we get
technology to do what we used to have slaves do.

Advancement rarely comes by accident these days.

It rarely came by accident in the past too.

Inventors "stand on the shoulders" of their predeccesors.

They always did and that is why humans do a lot better than animals.

So if you have no education,

No one has no education anymore.

you are unlikely to invent anything.

You are unlikely to invent anything even with education.

Or even have an idea of what's possible.

Virtually all the easy stuff has been found out.
No more inventions in garden sheds these days.

It still happens, just differently, most obviously with apps today.