Chris Carlen wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
It doesn't have to be, show me JUST ONE demonstrated instance of
something violating physical cause and effect, NO matter HOW complex.

I don't really understand your question so can you give me some examples
from your point of view.

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Don't be ridiculous. Use your mind.

The one who's responses are all predetermined, no doubt.
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Yes, and if you respond to my beseechment to do so, one which I
was always inevitably going to give, then you will do so, and if
not, then you won't, of course! But our efforts can only change
each other, and not ourselves, because we ARE ourselves. The
knowledge that it CAN work is a cause that can produce effect
in our deeds.


Why are Rightists always such ****-****ing disingenuous liars
about logic and argument?

It's like you have no honor of any kind because you have
no rudder for Truth.

I have enough of a rudder to know that nothing that comes out of your
mouth is truth.
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You have nuthin' but wish-fulfillment.


Guess what? That's riiiiight! What did you think a brain is anyway?

And who or what is in control of all of this? The tooth fairy?

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Show me ANYTHING that does NOT obey cause and effect.

Here's one that will never, ever, so long as you live be understandable
with your mighty logic, Steve. That is, the reason the mind can be
changed,
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Of course the Mind can be changed, but simply not by YOUR mind if by
YOUR own INTENT!! Intent is relativistic, and the only place to stand
and control your mind is in the efforts of another to do so, or the
accidental ways he or she does so!


and isn't predetermined, is precisely because it perfectly
obeys cause and effect.
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Nonsense, that MEANS the Mind is a result of cause and effect, and
all of those are entirely beyond any control you imagine you have
over your ideas. That's because your ideas are effects of causes.


You see Steve there is a little prerequisite for becoming aware of
truths of the mind, and of the nature of life and existence, that you
demonstrate unerringly to have none of.
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You have clearly not learned that merely saying so doesn't make it so.


And that is humility. You are
absolutely convinced of your rightness, and that is the reason why you
know nothing.
Christopher R. Carlen
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Feeling one is right can have nothing to do with rightness, at all.
And:
You have clearly not learned that merely saying so doesn't make it so.
Rinse and repeat, (above).
-Steve
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