Most of these consumer or hobbiest
types think we are all crooks, so why bother with them? I've tried to help
them but they don't have even enough basic knowlege of electronics to
enable
any understanding of what I'm talking about. It seems to me that the shop

Trollish crap, if you dont have time to answer the basics for people who are
interested, go find yourself another group. Everyone was a newbie once and
would have liked the sort of help that can be found on here.

J