On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 9:56:03 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:19:42 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 10:03:05 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 05:38:32 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

I just came across thiis post. Posted and Mailed because I'm not sure
you would see my post if I don't email.

I snipped nothing from your post.

On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:39:53 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:35:41 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:27:55 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


Maybe go visit the hotel where Elian Gonzalez
works, since we sent him back?

We? Got a mouse in your pocket

It was the you libs that took him at gun point

There would have been no guns involved if they had obeyed the law. If
someone were disobeying a court decision you liked, I'm sure you would
want it enforced, even if guns were needed. (and the picture showed his
finger off trigger, as procedure dictates in such a situation. )

and deported him, a
child at the time. (Clinton & Janet Reno)

And they did the right thing.

His mother had equal rights to him when she was alive, although I don't
think you'd like it if your ex-wife took your only kid to a foreign
country without asking you.

But once she was dead, his father's rights way trumped his uncle's or
aunt's and any political gain anyone foresaw by continuing his
kidnapping from his father.

You make it sound like Cuba is France.

NO I DIDN'T.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHIHG ABOUT CUBA

Well, maybe you should.

But I didn't. So why did you say I did?

Good grief. I didn't say you said anything about Cuba.
I was asking why you *won't* comment on it.




That would seem to be a key part of
the equation as to what's right.

No, it's not.


Of course it's a key part of the equation. Would you
ship the kid back to North Korea too?



and DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

No response to this? No apology? That's what made me post, your
putting words in my mouth..


Is that how you try to win arguments?

It's not.

It doesn't matter. The boys father lived there.

Those supporting
allowing the grandparents to keep the child here, in the land of the
free, know the history of the brutal Castro govt.

They were't brutal to his father.

Interesting argument. Following that logic, Nazi Gemany wasn't so bad
because Hitler's govt wasn't brutal to all people, just some of them.

Apparently you're not aware of the widely held belief that anyone who
has to bring up nazis in an argument loses the argument. Cuba under
Castro was nothing like hitler's rule. If you don't know the
difference, it's your fault.

Apparently you're not aware that while Godwin's rule has some
merit, it's not some God given absolute. We are talking about sending a kid
back to a country that abuses human rights. You claimed that what's
going on in Cuba has no relevance and you don't care. I simply pointed
out that if what's going on with regard to human rights doesn't matter,
you could make the same argument with Nazi Germany. It's relevant.
I didn't drag Nazis into a discussion about what wine to have with dinner.





It was never citizenship. Not a word was ever said by anyone about
citizenship The issue was residency.


Not a word was said? You specifically brought up citizenship.
Good grief.



Private bills that give citizenship
to individuals are not unusual in Congress. Then he could go back to
Cuba with his father and any time after he was 18, he could travel to
any other country, not just the US, and assert his American citizenship
and move here.

Uh, no. Cubans aren't free to travel

Not to travel to the US, but they are free to travel to some countries.


Wow, that's big of Castro.



and immigrate to the USA.

I said to go to any other country ** and assert his USA citizenship,
and go from the other country to the US.

Sure a 6 year old is going to do that, how very practical. Not
to mention what the Castro regime could do to the rest of his
family if he insulted dear leader like that.



** I'm not sure why I put "just" in the next phrase. It doesn't make
sense with "other", and I didnt' use the word in the other post in this
thread

He could row out on boat and he woudln't have had to
get to the US with dry feet. If any boat from any country other than
Cuba, Russia, and maybe Venezuela picked him up, he could assert his US
citizenship and come to the US. If the US Coast Guard or border patrol
or whatever found him, they would take him straight to Florida and he'd
be a citizen here. But he can't do any of that.

I guess no one thought of that at the time, because they didn't
envision the need for a young kid swimming or row boating to freedom,
with all the lifethreatening possibilities, when he
was *already* here.

That he was here meant nothing.


You're not interested in what goes on in Cuba.
It means nothing that the kid is here. So, again you'd
similarly be OK with sending the kid back to North Korea or
Nazi Germany in the 30s?



If you had some crazy views or lived in a place other people didn't
like, and your ex-wife's brothers and sisters tried to take your son
away from you, you'd change your mind quick.

If I lived in a hellhole commie country like Cuba, I'd be happy
that my child made it to the land of the free. I wouldn't want
him to come back. I'd be happy that he's going to have a far
better life, a world of opportunity and freedom in the USA living
with relatives. I'd be figuring out a way to flee that hellhole,
illegally of course because Castro won't let you leave, and I'd join
my son here.



And poor people were probably better off in Cuba since Castro, free
medical care, free education including college if they did well before
that.

Sure, they have a swell life driving around in 60 year old
Chevys, eating Donkey meat and living in poverty. Substituting one
bad dictator for an even worse one, isn't much of a solution.


I didnt' bring that up before because you'll probably call me
a Communist for refuting your false implication that Cuba is brutal to
everyone.


I didn't say they are brutal to everyone. If you kiss Castro's
ass and are a good little commie they leave you alone. If you
say something politcally incorrect, off to prison you go. Even Nazi
Germany or NK isn't brutal to everyone. But then you don't give
a damn about what is going on in Cuba. You claim it doesn't matter.