On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:22:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:58:22 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:57:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:39:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:48:20 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:50:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

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At some point, any rational person would have to consider
that the problem may not be with the other
countries/leaders, but would start considering alternate
explications, such as a pathological need for a scapegoat
"enemy" to justify domestic repressive measures

We can chant that line to the survivors of 911
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9-11 was indeed a tragedy, but it was not an isolated
"freak" event, rather it was the culmination of a pernicious
chain of causality, many of the links forged by US
arrogance, ignorance, and greed.

Actually it was performed by 19 Muslims plus their staff who planned
the thing for over a year. This of course after the semi failed
attempt to blow up the World Trade Center a couple years prior.

Open your eyes to the larger picture, sir.

You forget my friend...what I used to do, where I used to do it..and
so on and so forth. Im not exactly a babe in the briar patch.........

I'm fully aware of that and am still wondering why your blinders are
on. shrug

One of us is wearing blinders...but perhaps its not me....shrug.


The U.S. government may have been the instrument by which
these links were forged, but the motivation was *NOT* the
"will of the people" or "popular outrage," but the greed and
doctrinaire ideology of small politically influential
groups.

Odd.,,.Id have sworn it was caused by the hate of those for the Great
Satan? Did I miss something?

Our gov't all but hired those *******s to do it.

Really? Cites?

One of many which seem to indicate that they had foreknowledge and
allowed it anyway, kinda like Pearl Harbor, KWIM,V?

Seemed to have foreknowldge. Really? Cites? They were desperately
trying to run down some of those tangos...but kept missing the key
bits. The tangos planned it pretty ****ing well. Gave us a big black
eye. We have killed a hundred thousand of them over it..but it was
still embarressing.


Google "government complicity in 9/11" for a few more.

Ayup. And if you google "jews dancing over 911" you will come up with
other crap.

If nothing else, the military was complicit when they didn't cancel
the so-called "simulated attack" -immediately- after the first plane
hit the first tower. Waaaaay too many things don't add up in the
story, no matter how tells it.

When the first plane hit...they started shutting down the airplanes in
flight. Only problem..it took awhile..they werent terribly sure it
wasnt a tragic accident..and they kept stumbling over each other and
that pesky Leftwing "wall between agencies"
You remember that bit..right? Where the Leftwing bitch told the FBI to
stay out of the CIAs business and visa versa..right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick



Odd...so we should have drawn all of our troops home and hidden inside
of our borders as the came jockies wanted us to do??? Really????

No, perhaps some CIA wet workers should have been busier.

True indeed. Who was it that took all the Humint out of the middle
east and replaced it with "electronics"? Clinton during his first
term as I recall.

And look how well that turned out...

Ayup. And how well its not worked is one of the reasons we HAD 911.




The Left..with the full support of the East Coast RINOs..gutted our
intel sources, and then tried to spy on a 12th century culture with
****ing electronics. Nice idea..semi worked with the Ruskies..kinda
sorta..but with villagers from the 700 AD period...aint no way Jose.

Truth!


And nearly 3000 Americans and others paid the price. And another 4500
have paid the price since 911..not counting the walking wounded and
lamed who will be with us for a long time. When you see an American,
male or female , trotting along on 2 titanium legs and feet..ask them
who ****ed up and cost them their legs. Id be happy as hell to hear
you listen to them.

What have -any- of the wars in the Middle East accomplished so far?
Please, in your words. With the exception of advancements in
prosthetics, name one. No pros, all cons with the ME wars, the War on
Drugs, the War on Terror, No Child Left Behind, etc.

We have turned Iraq into a quasi democratic state. We freed the Kurds
and they have formed their own nation (and its doing well), we got rid
of that rat ******* Saddam and his two ******* sons,...we have killed
a ****load of Islamic fundies..killing off most of the brain power and
leaving the 3 line buffoons to run the show etc etc etc.

Bush's first Iraq war was too late to save the Kuwaitis. They pretty
much pillaged, looted, burned, and got home before we got there.

And we killed a ****load of them on their way home. "Hiway of Death"
as I recall.

Shrub was too late to catch the WMDs and he lost a billion in cash.

Shrub was gonna be too late no matter what..with most of the good
intel people gone out of the area. Fact.

We haven't done a war -right- since WWII, boys and girls. sigh

We won in Korea, we won in Vietnam (though the Democrats gave it right
back to the North in 1973...need I remind you of that factoid. And a
half dozen other places. Baltics etc etc. And of course we flattened
and destroyed Russia..the Cold War was a resounding sucess. China too
was a damned fine victory. Just not one some folks want to brag about.

Its not 90 minutes on the silver screen and then folks pick up their
coats and go home. Its real, its bloody, and its the world we live
in. Better this than WW3, dont you think?

Gunner