On Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:03:49 AM UTC-5, philo* wrote:
On 12/21/2014 07:43 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 20, 2014 5:17:52 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 12/20/2014 11:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:16:01 AM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 12/20/2014 08:42 AM, trader_4 wrote:
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OK, it's your turn. What exactly would you do right now
to "take on" North Korea?
Build a Disney Land there of course.
sheesh that was a simple one
In other words, despite all your bloviating of how others have not
"taken on" NK, you have no clue what to actually do yourself.
Korea is a tough one and I do not pretend to have an answer. It should
have been finished off in 1953 but instead a bandage was placed over a
festering wound.
My original answer of building a Disney Land there may be the best thing
to do. It would not be very civilized of us to blow them off the map.
It's not very much of an answer. Who exactly is going to build a "Disney Land"?
Certainly not Disney. There is very little foreign investment in NK, except for
China. It's not just the US that has issues and is ****ed off at them. Plus
there are currently UN sanctions in place, that would prohibit US investment
there. So, if you ever want to get to that point, then you'd have to
A - restore normal diplomatic relations
B - end the sanctions
C - Make nice to Kim Jung Un who just this week inflicted $100mil in
terrorism against Sony, threatened the USA with another 911, etc
You'd do that, while they are actively building nuclear weapons, thumbing
their nose at the UN, and directly threatening the USA as well as SK,
Japan, sinking SK ships, firing on them, etc?
Aside from that, it's a bizarre foreign policy, call it the
"binary foreign policy".
Also how does this binary policy relate to Saudi Arabia? You keep
saying to tell them to "F off". That isn't leaving them alone, nor is
it wiping them out. Right now, we are leaving them alone. Make up your
mind please.
Since you dragged any country that is a threat to us into this, add
Iran to the list. Specifics please, what would you do with Iran, right
now? Leave them alone or wipe them out? Your choice.
X
To me, Saudi Arabia and Iran are both our enemies.
I just give a little more credit to Iran because they are not smiling to
our face.
What the US needs to do is abandon /all/ oil imports from the mid-East.
Which isn't consistent with your stated policy of leaving them alone or
wiping them off the map. And what we import or don't import from there
isn't going to hurt them. Oil is fungible, there is a world market and it
will be sold anyway. I agree there are economic reasons and national
security reasons why the USA would be better off importing less oil. But
to think we can then ignore the middle east, let anyone take over the oil
there, is naive. How about ISIS takes over the oil?
There is enough right here in the US to supply our needs if we
supplement our power requirements with solar.
Sure, solar has been a big success so far..... It's the highest cost
electricity there is, by far. The only reason it's gotten anywhere is
because the govt is heavily subsidizing it, to hide the true cost.
Plus, we aren't burning oil to generate electricity,
with rare exceptions, anyway.
100 square miles of panels in a place like Arizona is all it would take.
This analysis says you're off by a factor of 100, which sounds about right.
Ain't no way you're going to provide the power for the USA with something
only 100 square miles. I'd be happy to see your math/reference.
http://www.energytrendsinsider.com/2...n-solar-power/
What the US needed to have done in both Iraq and Afghanistan is to have
totally decimated the countries like we did to Germany and Japan then
never leave.
We only decimated Germany and Japan because they had formidable military
forces that were still fighting and would not surrender. Iraq/Afghanistan,
we decimated their military, they surrendered. So, you'd go on to needlessly
kill innocent civilians, women and children that had nothing to do with
Saddam or the Taliban? My God.
Regarding never leaving, we did pretty much leave both Germany and Japan.
We set up democracies, gave them enormous aid. Yeah, we have some residual
troops there, but we're not involved in governing the country. Also
leaving troops anywhere is clearly contrary to your binary foreign policy
of leaving them alone or wiping them out.
Heck I was stationed on Germany 25 years after WW-II ended.
Had we treated Afghanistan and Iraq the way we handled Germany and
Japan, we would not be seeing the **** that we see today.
OK, you don't think decimating the two countries is a good idea?
If not, then we need to stay the **** out.
So, following 911 you would have stayed out of Afghanistan? Or you
would have bombed all the civilian, women and children, when they had
no military that was capable of threatening the USA? The latter would
have been a war crime, rightly condemned by the whole world.
Applying a bandage to a festering wound is not going to help the victim
but it can infect the care giver
Xere is no government in Saudi Arabia so I guess you are correct when
you say their government didn't send anyone here.
Which of course is either ignorance or another lie:
http://www.saudiembassy.net/about/co...on/government/
"Government
Saudi Arabia is a monarchy based on Islam.
Yep, like I said...no government
and indeed our enemy.
OK, now you're a liar.
No I am not a liar. I do not consider a dictatorship a government...and
that's exactly what a monarchy is.
What you consider, doesn't matter. Look up the definition.
If Saudi Arabia is such a great place, why don't you and your wife move
there, I'm sure she'd love it.
Which of course is irrelevant. Whether it's a great place, whether one
wants to live there, has nothing to do with telling them to F** off,
destabilizing another friendly country in the mideast, etc.