On Thursday, 9 October 2014 21:55:05 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
I didn't dispute that, I JUST commented on that claim of yours now at the
top.
well it was to reduce suicides and accidental death, but that depends whether opr not you think taking 15 pills can be an accident or a cry for help or a suicide attempt.
as do those who do it via their car exhaust.
And the change made to the gas supplied to houses.
Not sure that's true,
Corse it is. The change from town gas to natural gas
meant that you couldn't suicide that way anymore.
I thought you could still kill yourself from natural gas.
I'm pretty sure you can in the same why you'd kill yourself with helium.
Natrual gase isn't poisonous but niether is a sharp kitchen knife.
they did not change the gas suply to
all house in order to reduce suicides,
No one said they did.
But they did limit the sales of pills like asprin and paracetomol to
reduce both the number of deaths from the product and the number of 'accidents'.
they added something to make the gas
smell making leaks easier to detect.
Which is irrelevant if you choose to kill yourself that way.
Unless you really don't like the smell.
10X that many choose drugs
Interesting that I couldn't find much in the way
of the detail on exactly what drugs they did use.
That;s true although most don;t chose herion to comite
suicide by, but that may well end up killing them.
I DO NOT believe peaches geldof attempted suicide.
They are first when it comes to thinhgs you can avoid,
That wasn't what you said originally.
What I said was they won;lt allow you to buy large
quanaties of asprin and this was because of suicides.
That isnt what is still at the top of the quoting.
Basically it was because peole were both dying and gettign seriously ill from taking too many asprin and/or paracetomol.
One way to reduce the likelihood of such events is to reduce the availibility of the products to hand at the time.
How do you suffocate yourself to death ?
Those bags those into euthanasia have been into for a long
time now. You put it over your head and its got a thing that
goes around your neck to get a decent seal there.
can you show a link to an incident where this actually happene din
the UK and where yuo can buy such things. I'd like a pack of 10 ;-)
There is nothing special about them, just a bag large enough
and something to wrap around the neck, a strip of cloth is fine
and so is packing tape or a large zip tie or some string.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag
I wonder how many people used them, few I'd have thought and they are illegal to buy.
The FACT is that the reason you can't buy jars of 100
asprin is because of suicides and accidental overdoses.
Even that is a very dubious proposition given that there are very
few countrys that ban the sale of that many aspirins at one time.
Ask the medical profession in the UK about sales in the UK.
No point, no one disputed that they are banned there.
But the reason(s) is apparently.
What is being discussed is whether it makes any sense to ban them.
well that would depend on how effective the ban has been.
No other country is that stupid.
Or clever. Or are you suggesting we should start selling guns as other contries sell them.
Maybe we should get rid of teh NHS too, it makes little sense other contries dont; have a NHS.
There's no ban on me buying too much rope or a ban on buying
too many pillows in argos in case I try to suffocate myslef.
There's no ban on knif buying( other than age restrictions)
Because those bans just arent practical.
Exactly it's pretty easy to tell companies that they
can;t sell bottles of 100 asprin/paracetomol.
And that is pointless because its trivial to buy 5 packs of 20 instead.
Not as trival as it was, I couldn't buy 3 in the same shop.
There is a ban on what used to be used to kill yourself with drugs wise.
Laudanum ?
Nope, barbiturates etc.
So barbiturates can't be brought is that what you're saying. ?
There is also a ban on poisons like cyanide that used
to be used for suicide most obviously by the nazis too.
It's because it's leathal and has little use that for the general public.
Duh.
Why would cyanide be brought ?
I'll tell you peole like smoking and cyanide exists in commercially availble cigs you can buy a quite a number of shops. I DO NOT know of anyone that has brought them with the aim to commite suicide.
The Nazis did but hopefully they are few and far between.
cyanide is NOT availble easily by the general public, so it's vberyu unlikely you#ll find suffecint quantaties in teh average home that you can 'take' in order to kill yourself.
Essentially because there is no real downside to those bans.
There's little downside to not being able to buy 100 paracetomol , but
I was stoped from buying 3 packets of headache pills in the supermarket..
I wasn't.
Lucky/unlukey you, most people are if they go to a reputable outlet in the UK.
The ban on aspirins is completely silly,
It's NOT a ban on Asprins any more than a 70MPH speed limit is a ban on
driving.
you cant kill yourself with too many aspirins
you can.
DO yy know about teh LD50 where 50% of teh population will die
from taking more than 1mg of pacetomol per 1Kg of body wieght.
Paracetamol is not aspirin.
if you are that clever you should know that ;-
Aspirin alone has been linked to numerous adverse side effects, including but not limited to: kidney failure, liver failure, ulcers, hearing loss and hemorrhagic stroke. A study conducted on the elderly in 2000 showed them to be even more at risk to being heavily affected, the study concluded that even when only taking an undersized 75mg/day dose significant changes were noted in their renal (kidney) functionality. The impact is not limited to the elderly however, as another study conducted in 2009 found 80% of individuals (previously qualified as perfectly healthy) experienced small intestinal toxicity, after just 14 days of low-dosage aspirin use.
ASprin can do you serious damage.
Yes it is, but by that tome most have 'calmed'
down or changed their mind in that time,
You don't know that.
I do . You don;t that's the differnece.
thats the whole point.
No other country agrees on that.
So what.
Aquiring asuffecient quantity and having to talk to people
has the effect of calming or re-analising the situation.
Bull****.
What do you think councilers do.
They've even painted yellow lines on teh underground station platforms,
this is because peole are stupid and they NEED to go given limits,
but those lines don;t stop anyone from commiting suicide there
aim is to educate the stupid and make them THINK, also make
them THINK accident can happen and if you're balancing on
the edge of a cliff or station you can fall or be pushed.
Nothing to do with suicide.
exactly but yellow lines can help stop accidents.