Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:25:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:52:18 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 03:48:26 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:32:43 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:
I deviced to take apart an orignal Nikon F 35mm camera today, to see
what's inside.
About 5000 parts is the answer, for a completely mechanical 35mm camera.
WHY???!!! did you smash a Nikon F body???
They are still worth in excess of $200 each and for us
collectors..they are freaking priceless!!!
It had no pentaprism, so it's not actually worth anything. I still have
one left that is complete.
while I'm typically no fan of destroying stuff like this, it is the only
option when no service manuals are available, and you can't hire and old
guy to let you watch a repair.
The question still stands. When do companies design stuff to be overly
complex. What's the real end goal?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIKON-F301-F...-/131279111554
As for manuals....
http://cameraobscura.zenfolio.com/downloads
The F and similar high end cameras of its time were designed to do
what the end user wanted..with the technology of the time. No
computers were available small enough to make the F (and many other
devices) equal to todays cameras.
http://imaging.nikon.com/history/chronicle/history-f/
I realize you need some spiffy mechanisms but they went way overboard with
little things, like how some springs were attached. It's just not
necessary, unless you're trying to have the longest parts list.
It was necessary..... for the camera to be tough as an anvil and able
to be used in every possible situation WITHOUT FAIL. The Japs had a
very very good grip on ruggedness and reliablity by the time the F
came out..and they were one of the MOST bullet proof 35mm cameras
ever..every made.
An example was the Norden bombsight. A rather complex collection of
mechanisms that is easily surpassed today with a simply app on a smart
cell phone.
humm...a perfect analogy would be the lowly calculator..
http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/art...calculator.php
The mechanical supreme was (in my humble opinion) the Curta
Calculator...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curta
While not as advanced, my grandmother gave me some sort of mechanical
device for summing numbers. It consisted of sliding pieces of formed sheet
metal, a reset handled and a probe. She used it at the grocery store or
something like that.
Yes and?
Today..a single chip, a solenoid or two and a couple sensors do all
the work in modern cameras. But the F..and the Ftn and F1..were
reliable, accurate works of art/workhorses.... which simply worked
year in and year out.
Gunner, one time commerical photographer and minor camera
collector...with a couple Nikon S1s he regulary shoots and
treasures..circa 1951
I took apart a modern leica rangefinder lense last night and noticed the
inside looked really crude and had all sorts of scratch marks and symbols
on it like it was hand fitted or something. I was surprised by that.
You took apart a Leica range finder last night.....
And where are you getting these $4000 plus cameras?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=277979&gclid=CjwKEAjwkf-gBRCd-b2m2aOo0EQSJABMeQDkUkVn51AZ5U0-0VEfo931Cz_EdpxWkBLlUb8GtTeK1RoCz8rw_wcB&Q=&is=USA &A=details
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-MP-35m...-/261600381930
You are trolling arnt you? Nice job!! Had me about ready to hunt you
down and slit you from ear to ear. Well done!!
Unless that "modern Leica range finder" lens was damaged beyond
repair, this guy must have money to burn.
I have curiousity to burn. Before it (the lens) goes back for some sort of
cam calibration, I wanted to see what was inside. After putting it back
together, it seems to line up correctly at infinity again, matching the
other lenses that do in fact work correctly woth the same body. It appears
the grease is separating into oil though, or they're really heavy handed
with "oil barriers" to prevent water from getting sucked into parts. Some
of the paint on the light baffles is coming off, which is just silly, so
the thing may just go back anyways.
I have two Leica rangefinders. One fell into salt water 50 years ago
and is completely shot, even though it looks OK. I was offered $300
for that body. But I kept it for my collection.
Never taken one of those apart. I have fixed Crown Graphic cameras with
the top rangefinder and light beams. Unlike everything foreign, they're
simple, easy to fix and don't require gadgety tools to work on. It looks
like you need 7 types of spanner wrenches or "split screwdrivers" to
properly take apart an F. Not sure why they stopped at that and didn't got
for 27 or 39 different types. Why anybody would even want to make,
warehouse and then install at least a thousand parts into a camera while
adding as many parts as possible for even mundane use.
A comparison on the self timers on the F vs some sort of Sears branded
1970s Mamiya shows the F has at least twice as many parts. All it is is a
geartrain with a spring and escapement that takes about 10 seconds to hit
ero at which point a cam moves something and fires the trigger release.
They're actually quite similar is size and construction otherwise, so it's
apparent half the Nikon parts simply aren't needed.