On 16/08/2014 06:40, John Williamson wrote:
On 15/08/2014 20:43, Dennis@home wrote:
On 15/08/2014 18:10, John Williamson wrote:

Buses are the most efficient motorised way to move people round the
average town or city, and can fit over 50 passengers in the space
occupied by a dozen cyclists displaying their normal behaviour.

The hell they are.
Outside rush hour they are empty unless you reduce the service to a
tenth of rush hour.

Have you looked at a bus closely lately? Most services now are purely
commercial and if they don't carry enough passengers to pay (Average
about 30% of the potential maximum over the route length), they're
removed from the timetable. There are still some subsidised services,
but they are getting fewer by the year.

Nearly all the services are subsidised at some time of the day around here.
They run empty a lot.
The only times they might be full is rush hour (thats the 30 minute
after and before the t'wirlys can get on BTW).


And I didn't say they *always* fit 50 or more passengers into the space,
I said they *can* fit over 50 passengers into the space. IME this only
matters in the rush hour periods, when cyclists are also more common,
and cause more holdups.



You will be lucky to ever see 50 passengers on a bus around here.

Anyway cyclists holding buses up in the bus lane is a good thing. It
shows the planners how futile bus lanes are and helps to get them closed
so other people can use the roads.