On 08/07/2014 06:45 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:

Under socialism, you live off the sweat of someone else's
brow.


9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually
and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the
interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework
of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-
slavery.


'The program of the NSDAP'

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/25points.asp

Under capitalism, the wealth live off the fruits of their rent-seeking
activities. They hardly break a sweat when buying politicians.



Wonderful words.

Problem is that it has never worked. And worse, to try and
get it to work, they need an "emergency" to get people
act the way they they want, like a war. And a huge police
state to enforce things.

You wind up with an extremely wealthy ruling class and an
extremely poor general population. Plus a lot of propaganda
about how wonderful things were. Oh the wheat grew over
our heads! (That from the Ukrainian terror famine, with American
Pravda repeated.)

And as far as buying politicians, what exactly do you think
happens in socialism? All the moneyed interests run off
to the government and buy favors. In Nazi Germany, everyone
bought their own protected market. That is a the hazard of
an large over reaching central government. The original Soviet
instigator were all rich! Well, except Marx.

Don't mistake intentions, like the words you show above,
for actual result. People don't act that way. For the
better good, you need to force people to meet others
needs to meet their own need (the free market).

And, by the way, Capitalism is a financial vehicle, used
extensively by Nazis, Soviets and all socialists, usually
to fund their hideous war machines. The dialectics here
is not between capitalism and socialism, it is between
the Free Market and Socialism.

By the way, the most successful socialist are the ones that
try not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg (the
free market), but simply tried to tap its resources
to a point.

Definition of a Liberal: one who would rather live in
tyranny in poverty then live in freedom and let the
guy next to him use that freedom to do better
that he does.