On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 04:08:48 -0700 (PDT), robobass
wrote:

Am Montag, 7. Juli 2014 12:22:29 UTC+2 schrieb robobass:


Incidently, Bahraini protesters were attacked by US made helicopter gunships, and Egyptions with teargas which hade "made in USA" stamped on the canisters. Do any of you guys find that in any way objectionable?







Of course we do. Fortunately..WE didnt do it.







Your buddies the Soviet Union murdered 94 MIllion people..and "we"



didnt do it ..yet you and yours want it to happen inside our borders.





I don't get your point. What I am trying to say is:



1; Lots of innocent people all around the world get killed with weapons supplied by US arms manufacturers under State Department approved sales (or not), as well as other producers from big nations. China, Russia, Sweden, South Africa, and my adopted country - Germany, to name a few. The ATT seeks to curb this practice, and has absolutely nothing to do with US domestic gun rights issues. Can we agree on that?



1.1; Weapons manufacturers in many countries have way too much influence in their respective governments, which leads to sales to bad actors. Can we agree on that?



2; Yes, of course a lot of the killing is done with Russian and Chinese made AK-47s and other weapons, but does that absolve the US from responsibility when people are killed with American weapons? The USSR killed 94 million? Maybe, but what does that have to do with anything? Every nation has done a lot of killing (Reagan - Nicaragua, Ford - Indonesia). Let's talk about who is being killed now. Can we agree on that?



3; Is forcing a shelf life on weapons or adding a kill switch to electronics something to consider? I've seen no comment, although I haven't asked any five-year-old Laotian kids.



4; Do some American gun rights advocates confuse their own cause with the effort to stamp out weapons proliferation in unstable countries? I don't think there is a consensus on this one.



And. No. Isil kills with GUNS they stole from their victims, not machetes.

Edit: It just came out that a lot of the initial Isil financing came illicitly from Saudi princes. So... The last time you guys filled up your Ford trucks you inadvertently purchased a carton of bullets for some radical Islamists. Green energy anyone? No. We'll just frak more.


But the U.S. is now the largest producer of crude oil in the world,
larger than Saudi, larger than Russia.

Your argument is faulty.
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Cheers,

John B.