dpb wrote:
On 5/1/2014 4:06 PM, jim wrote:
dpb wrote:
On 4/30/2014 5:50 PM, jim wrote:
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By 2012 ethanol sales had grown to 10% of market.
The EPA regulations do not allow it to grow any larger.
...

Now you're really making stuff up...

No it is well documented fact.

http://www.granitefallsnews.com/arti...NEWS/312029964

Not pertinent and out of date--hardly "documented fact". Of some
validity at the time, but that history, now.


You are lying. The ceiling exists. It is referred to as the blend
wall. The EPA just lowered the ethanol mandate because fuel
consumption dropped and mandates were above the blend.

"An attorney for EPA defended the delays, saying the agency had to weigh
how to handle the looming "blend wall," the point when the law would
require more ethanol to be blended into gasoline supplies than the 10
percent level that dominates U.S. fueling infrastructure, such as
equipment at gas stations."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0MZ0V120140407

The point is the EPA created the "blend wall" and then they adjust the
mandates so that the mandated amount equals the amount allowed by
the "blrnd wall". The mandates are a sham. They are intended to pull
the wool over your eyes. The amount of ethanol is limited to what the
EPA allows. If E20 was allowed the amount of ethanol would double to
twice the mandate very quickly.
[snipped EPA and oil co propaganda]

The EPA requires gas stations to sell what older cars use. E15
is optional if the gas station wants to make a five figure investment
in new infrastructure. That is just as good as a ban.

Well, if the market place is the driving force as you claim, it'll be
here tomorrow as everybody is clamoring for it by your contention...


No your lying. I never made that claim. People buy the cheapest
gas. That is wh\y you see all the big signs advertizing price.
If E20 was available it would it would be cheaper and it would
take over the market just as E10 did.

Products don't come to market because people clamor for them
That never happens. Products have to first be made available
then the market either buys it or doesn't. The EPA understands
this and that is why it has done everything in its power to
make sure higher blends are not readily available. The EPA
knows that if E20 was available it would soon take over the
market and amount sold would soon far exceed the mandates.

[Snipped EPA propaganda]




There's no way, no how, just increasing the fractional ethanol increases
efficiency in existing vehicles

Yes there is a way. The EPA could allow fuel efficiency testing
to be done with ethanol blends. The manufacturers would then supply
cars that run more efficiently on ethanol blends. But the
EPA won't do that because the EPA is working for the oil cos and
not for the public. The EPA has been working doggedly
for 25 years to make sure ethanol blended fuels do not
improve engine efficiency. But the day will come when they
lose the battle.




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