On 5/1/2014 4:06 PM, jim wrote:
dpb wrote:
On 4/30/2014 5:50 PM, jim wrote:
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By 2012 ethanol sales had grown to 10% of market.
The EPA regulations do not allow it to grow any larger.
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Now you're really making stuff up...

No it is well documented fact.

http://www.granitefallsnews.com/arti...NEWS/312029964

Not pertinent and out of date--hardly "documented fact". Of some
validity at the time, but that history, now.

That links to a three yr-old article on the then-current levels of
production. That was before the EPA E15 waiver rule just announced last
October referred to earlier that release E15 for use in all light-duty
vehicles manufactured after 2001.

E15 is approved for light-duty vehicles from model year 2001 and up and
all Flex-fuel vehicles. That group constitutes roughly 75% of the
vehicles currently on the road and over 85% of the unleaded gasoline
sold in the US.


The EPA requires gas stations to sell what older cars use. E15
is optional if the gas station wants to make a five figure investment
in new infrastructure. That is just as good as a ban.

Well, if the market place is the driving force as you claim, it'll be
here tomorrow as everybody is clamoring for it by your contention...

The fact is you won't find any E15 gas sold or much E85 either, because
the EPA rules make it too costly and impractical. It is deliberate
sabotage.

Nonsense, EPA is complying w/ the Clean Air Act mandates as written.
There's public comment and rulemaking on all of it--that nobody's
particularly happy pretty much means they've done their job of handling
all the many sides to the issue. It's the way things are done in the
US--you have a particular ox to gore or your ox is being gored; raise a
stink and see who wins.

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Ethanol is tolerated because a limited amount is profitable
for oil cos. It saves on refining costs. But the EPA won't allow
its use to the point where it increases efficiency or cuts into
oil cos. profits.


[Snipped the rest of EPA propaganda]
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No propaganda, just the reality.

There's no way, no how, just increasing the fractional ethanol increases
efficiency in existing vehicles and the practical fact of the matter is
that there's no major clamor by consumers for grossly different vehicles
that are incompatible with existing. FFVs can use E85, if folks were to
start to head to what E85 pumps there are to the point of pumping them
dry as soon as a tanker pulled up you can be certain there would be a
shift to having more pumps. But, afaik there's no such indication
anywhere in the country that it's all that popular.

BTW, what's got you so hot on ethanol as the miracle panacea other than
an obvious hate for the EPA and some misguided ideas on thermodynamics
and practicality.

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