On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:55:49 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2014 12:19 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 07:53:10 -0500, wrote:
On 4/28/2014 3:18 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
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I havent seen a "no ethanol" pump in over 15 -20 yrs.
...

You're in CA, aren't you? I don't think they allow it (or have for
years). ...

Ayup...California and less t han 30 miles from a refinery..and I live
smack dab in the middle of the oilfields near Bakersfield, Ca.

The last time I smelled "real" gasoline, was a trip out to a friends
place in Aridzona. Truck ran NICELY after that fillup and went back to
being a pig when I filled up again on the way home with "California
Normal Gas(p)
...

At least a reasonable chance that ethanol came from within 10 mi of
here--the local ethanol plant gets a "green"(+) premium over other
outlets from CA and so ships a sizable fraction of production here from
KS there. Another prime market is south to N Orleans port where it goes
to Brazil (of all places).

(+) To get this amongst other things they capture off-gas CO2 byproduct
which is piped to OK/TX for use in enhanced oil recovery.

As a sidebar, I find it most interesting to note that w/ all the
ballyhoo over CO2, we were just offered a lease on ground in NM for
drilling and production of CO2 to be transported to Midland/Odessa, TX,
area for the same purpose. IOW, they're getting ready to drill for more
because there's an insufficient supply.

Probably 20 years ago we undertook to install a "flare gas processing"
plant in central Java (Indonesia) at a field that contained a lot of
CO2 in conjunction with the oil. The separation process is not complex
but what were we going to do with the CO2. Then a German company heard
about the field and approached us with the idea of building a plant
adjacent to ours to process the CO2. The plant is still in operation
and the Germans are still buying CO2 :-)

During meeting the German Project Engineer mentioned that the market
was large enough that they were burning diesel fuel to make CO2 and
that they would buy all the CO2 that we could make. Their biggest
customer was the soft drink bottlers, Coke, Pepsi, etc., but they were
expanding into the "dry ice" market as that look profitable for truck
transport of perishables. The Engineer also said that CO2 was used
extensively in Germany to flood grain silos as by removing the oxygen
it killed the bugs.
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Cheers,

John B.