On 4/26/2014 6:44 PM, jim wrote:
dpb wrote:
On 4/26/2014 5:33 PM, jim wrote:
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Consumer sentiment is they will put whatever works and whatever is
cheapest in their. In spite mountains of propaganda against ethanol
almost everybody puts it in their tank. The look at the price
and that is all.

Basically there is no alternative.

That is nonsense. The refiners could crack low octane
petroleum fractions into higher octane fractions, but that uses
energy and costs money and when given a choice the market
will choose the ethanol blend over the straight gasoline.




People currently by E10 because that's what is on the market.

No they were initially given a choice.Consumers looked at the price
and bought the ethanol blend. That is how ethanol sales grew much faster
than the mandates for all those years.

No they weren't except for the transition period between the time of
leaded and unleaded when vehicles weren't ethanol-ready. Once that
transition period was over, the option went away for all intents and
purposes.

The option still exists today. If you want to you can
find a station that sells straight gasoline. But very
few exist because very few people will pay the extra price.



Stations mostly dropped the non-ethanol simply to not have to keep the
two alternatives separate.

Just as there's only the one or two E85 pumps in town, there's only one
station w/ no ethanol.

There would be a lot more (there used to be a lot more)
but very few are buying it.That has nothing to do
with mandates - it is just supply and demand.

You are not well informed on this issue. I drive a 2007 Subaru Outback
Sport. With unleaded regular, I got about 29 mpg. With the currently
available gas here(up to 10% alcohol), which is now the only option, I
get about 24 mpg. The reformulated gas burns slightly cleaner to pass
EPA requirements, but I have to use 7 gallons to drive the same distance
as I would using 6 gallons of unleaded regular. This negates the slight
difference in pollution that the 10% alcohol provides.

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It is on
the market owing to the removal of the two former alternative additives
and there's nothing at least as yet that does the same job as cheaply.

There never were any former alternatives. There were two deadly toxins
that never should have been allowed to be sold in the first place.
...

Your opinion of them notwithstanding, they were there and on the market
for some 75-80 years. That pretty much means there were
alternatives.

They were illegitimate alternatives. Their fate was doomed
from the start because it took enormous amount of propaganda
and deception to make them available. Eventually the truth
won out.

The truth is that the reformulated gas costs more and does not
effectively decrease pollution because it produces 10% less pollution
but I have to burn 14% more of it to drive the same distance. So it
effectively produces 4% more pollution.

You need to educate yourself on the basics.

David