On 4/16/2014 8:32 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

3. Why are you supporting a thief?

Harry K,

Mr. Dufas answered and I waited for him to do so.

I've said before this was about excessive force and government
intimidation, a violations of First Amendment rights. It was not
about a cow, grazing fees or a tortoise. Mainly this was about states
right, a sovereignty of the state.

The court order (you read it) not a single time, did it authorized the
feds to kill animals, destroy our land and shoot prized bulls, because
some ******* from Utah, a bull (mean *******) would gore a horse. The
order never said they could kill animals, shoot a bull 5 times and
leave him (2) in the desert. Or destroy the public lands, make mass
graves for dead cows, separate calves from heifers, etc.

Sure Mr. Bundy screwed the pooch by not having a lawyer and his
failure to appeal to the 9th Circuit. It does not justify excessive
force by government goons.

Now. I know you know something about use of force. How to deploy that
force and in what conditions to do so.

Use of force must meet the amount of resistance. When a man stops
resisting, there is more to use force. The incident is done. Write
the report.

You may also know about "calculated use of force". In this case the
government miscalculated the necessary amount of force needed.

They used a sledge hammer to stop of fly.

I have another example in Clark County, NV if you want it. It is in
the same Federal court. Police asked for use of a man's home, to spy
on his neighbor, he told them no and to get a warrant. The police
broke into the house, abused him and his wife with excessive force and
occupied his home anyway.

Do you see the difference in government abuse and somebody not paying
fees. BTW, there is some reports that BKM broke the contract with Mr.
Bundy years ago and waited 20 years to start some ****.

For the record, people here do not think the same was a people back
east.

Cows stealing grass - give me friggin' break.

Want the link for police agents occupying a man's house, the court
document number? A few miles from my house. And I can give other
examples of LEO abuse of ordinary, everyday tax payers.

Were is the outrage of stolen government money?

Folks should be very happy federal goons did not open fire on innocent
people exercising a right and question a government abuse.

Spit!


Like certain other Nations Leaders, this gov is
practicing divide and conquer. First they came
for the cattle ranchers. I didn't speak up, because
I wasn't a cattle rancher.

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