On 4/16/2014 7:32 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

3. Why are you supporting a thief?

Harry K,

Mr. Dufas answered and I waited for him to do so.

I've said before this was about excessive force and government
intimidation, a violations of First Amendment rights. It was not
about a cow, grazing fees or a tortoise. Mainly this was about
states right, a sovereignty of the state.

The court order (you read it) not a single time, did it authorized
the feds to kill animals, destroy our land and shoot prized bulls,
because some ******* from Utah, a bull (mean *******) would gore a
horse. The order never said they could kill animals, shoot a bull 5
times and leave him (2) in the desert. Or destroy the public lands,
make mass graves for dead cows, separate calves from heifers, etc.

Sure Mr. Bundy screwed the pooch by not having a lawyer and his
failure to appeal to the 9th Circuit. It does not justify excessive
force by government goons.

Now. I know you know something about use of force. How to deploy
that force and in what conditions to do so.

Use of force must meet the amount of resistance. When a man stops
resisting, there is more to use force. The incident is done. Write
the report.

You may also know about "calculated use of force". In this case the
government miscalculated the necessary amount of force needed.

They used a sledge hammer to stop of fly.

I have another example in Clark County, NV if you want it. It is in
the same Federal court. Police asked for use of a man's home, to
spy on his neighbor, he told them no and to get a warrant. The
police broke into the house, abused him and his wife with excessive
force and occupied his home anyway.

Do you see the difference in government abuse and somebody not
paying fees. BTW, there is some reports that BKM broke the contract
with Mr. Bundy years ago and waited 20 years to start some ****.

For the record, people here do not think the same was a people back
east.

Cows stealing grass - give me friggin' break.

Want the link for police agents occupying a man's house, the court
document number? A few miles from my house. And I can give other
examples of LEO abuse of ordinary, everyday tax payers.

Were is the outrage of stolen government money?

Folks should be very happy federal goons did not open fire on
innocent people exercising a right and question a government abuse.

Spit!

Didn't Waco and Ruby Ridge take place during the time a Democrat run
Executive Branch was in power? It seems to me that there are more mass
shootings and whack jobs going around killing people when Democrats are
in charge or is it that they just howl about it more. Like when the
teenaged thug committed suicide by armed citizen in Florida. ^_^

TDD