On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:49:44 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 21:14:12 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/7/2014 8:53 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Oren:
I still think this whole thing is a pyramid scheme, so money can be
redistributed.

That would suggest a cabal that doesn't seem possible in it's
complexity. I have a pretty dim view of human nature, but that includes
people's ability to cooperate.

Exxon or the Koche brothers, I can see: they're bonded together by a
mutual desire to maximize profits.

But virtually the entire world community of scientists? What do they
stand to gain? I'd think vanishingly-few of them have any significant
economic interest/investments in alternative energy ventures. I would
think they are just trying to get published and not have their
colleagues rip what they've published to shreds.
...

That's what they've got in it -- 90% of environmental research is funded
by government grants so in a "publish or perish" world the only way to
win a grant and therefore retain their professorship is to follow the
lead of the funding agency.

Now, being an engineer/physics guy meself, I don't think 90%+ really
intend this but it's the inevitable result of eventually succumbing to
the current research trend.

There's no way one can put any serious credence in the details of the
models over the time frames they're projecting--it's ludicrous.

So do you deny that the world is getting warmer or do you agree with
that but deny that human activity is significantly responsible?

I think that both are true, and as we all should know, more heat
equals more volatility so more extreme events. I do enjoy reading
folks talking about this being part of a natural cycle, like the
climate scientists aren't aware of the natural cycles.

Naturally the scientists are usually receiving grants from governments
- who else funds work that doesn't really have quick financial
rewards? Certainly not corporations that have a vested interest in
selling more fossil fuels.

As Pete said, if this is all some huge conspiracy by those horrible
leftists, I would think that some of the millions of people involved
would spill the beans.

I do hope that you are correct, and that we aren't heading for really
serious climate alterations, but I think that we are.
Be prepaired for a massive El Nino over the next 18-24 months if
that bubble of very warm water in the south Pacific rises to the
surface - which it most likely will. Hang onto your hats - and
anything else that could blow away or blow down.