On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:39:43 PM UTC-4, Robert Green wrote:
wrote in message news:95b02554-320f-4775-ae05-



In the case of the ADS-B,

you have the plane making a final small turn to the right, just

like other flights on other days, then the data stops.



Another mark in the wing failure category. When you bank, it shifts the

load on the wing/fuselage connections and that's a very likely point of

failure. Was it the right wing tip that had been previously damaged? I

think so.



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Bobby G.

Yes it was, but if you're making a right turn, isn't slightly more force
going to be on the left wing, not the right? And you'd think a lot more
force would be on the wings during takeoff and climbing 2000 ft/min, than
it would be when it's level and just making a 5 deg turn.
But I agree with your overall assessment that the damage to the
wing from the prior accident should be high on the list. Previously
I was thinking of it from the standpoint that it was just a few feet
of the wing that was ripped off and then repaired. If just that had
come off, I would think the plane would likely fly for a long time,
probably even able to make a landing. It didn't involve a control
surface. But I hadn't thought about
the possibility that you're suggesting, that the accident could have
damaged where the wing spar attaches to the fuselage.

That would be something you would think Boeing could determine to
some extent. They could estimate the force it took to tear off that
wingtip and the resulting forces back at the base of the wing. If
you think about it, that's a long wing. The force that it takes to
rip off that wingtip is a lot and it's increased via leverage
back to the attachement point. Some calculations and/or
experiments on some scrapped similar wings should give an idea
if the forces were in the range to do damage.

For some more stuff that you don't know what to make of, there
are reports of 19+ families claiming they called cell phones
of those on the plane and they were ringing for days after
the disappearance. Again, the piece is poorly written, but
it sounds like what they are saying is that the phones rang like
the phone was active. But that's not clear, because they never
clarify how many times it rings. Most cell phones will ring a
couple times, even if it's off, before going into voice mail.
Unfortunately, no one says how many times these phones were
actually ringing. They even use the term that the families say
they were "connected", whatever that means.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...es-active.html

"Smartphones of the missing aboard Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 are still ringing according to reports

As many as 19 families of missing passengers have claimed to be connected - and airline says they have rung crew's phones"