"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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In article , "xrongor"
wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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In article , "xrongor"
wrote:
im trying to get this really clear. you are saying my comparison of
the
two
years is meaningless?

Yes. I think I said that before.

the article gives you the percent of their goal for two different
years.
we
agree on this? lets not get into what it means yet, just that we can
agree
that the article provides those numbers. can we do that?

Yes.

lets replace the sentence % of their goal with the word apple since
you've
accused me of comparing apples to oranges. you got it? the phrase "%
of
their goal" shall be replaced by the word 'apple'. so to rephrase,
the
article gives you the apple for one year, and gives you the apple for
the
next year, and you cant say that the apple has gone down or is
falling?

Your paraphrase conceals the problem, because it obscures the fact that
the
goals themselves, and any change in them from one year to the next, are
not
known. Let's stick with the original phrasing, please.

i knew i would lose you on this one.

No, Randy, you're the one that got lost. If you truly don't see that your
paraphrase omitted a significant aspect of the situation, then there is no
point in discussing this any further, because you simply don't grasp
principles of logic well enough to debate the point.

you know this isnt true. you've just jumped in a hole defending your
position and cant get out gracefully. its ok. i understand. stick to your
guns.



The incomplete numbers equally well support _both_ of these statements:

a) the percentage of goal achievement is falling
b) the goal itself is rising

and hence it is not possible to derive _any_ meaningful conclusion, in
the
absence of further data.

because that is the only claim i made. the PERCENT is falling, not
actual
numbers.

SO WHAT?? That doesn't mean a damn thing, unless you know what it's a
percentage OF. And you don't.

the term 'so what' implies that you agree. the only claim i made was
that
the percent is falling.

*Here* is where you lose me: I must confess I don't see the purpose in
your
continuing to cite a figure that you now appear to agree is meaningless.

here is where your logic breaks down.

Huh?

what did i ever claim it meant? please quote me and tell me where i ever
drew a conclusion that said something like 'because the % is falling this
must be true...."

Silly me, I guess I just assumed that because you keep repeating it, you
must
think it means _something_. Now I'm wondering why you keep repeating
something that you know doesn't mean anything.

why did you/people keep accusing me of assigning meaning to it? ive been
wondering that for like 4 days now...

if that stops, i will stop. if it continues, i will continue. im not
driving this thing, im just stopping you guys from assigning false
statements to me.

randy