On 08 Dec 2013 03:02:49 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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On Sat 07 Dec 2013 09:54:32a, told us...

On 07 Dec 2013 16:18:03 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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On Sat 07 Dec 2013 07:57:43a, told us...

On 07 Dec 2013 05:56:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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On Fri 06 Dec 2013 12:34:16p, told us...

On 06 Dec 2013 17:50:36 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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On Thu 14 Nov 2013 03:57:59a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 01:18:53 -0800 (PST), Higgs Boson
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that much.

Ed, speaking of detergent cups, what do you -- and others --
think of these little "pillows" -- presumably containing
both detergent and film-removal (can't think of proper term)
which are inserted in the detergent cup. They take the
place of powdered detergent in its cup and liquid
[whatsitcalled) in its reservoir.

I got a box of them at Costco which is lasting a long time.
They are somewhat more expensive, but very convenient and
seem to be doing the job for me.

Your opinion?

HB

For years, I've used Cascade gel and it works well.
KitchenAid though, recommends using the Cascade pillows like
you have, but they still recommend using a rinse aid in the
dispenser. The samples worked well and I may switch once I
use up what we have.


I have to wonder though, it they want you to use them for
superior cleaning or if there is some sort of financial
arrangement. They also tell you to use Affresh once in a
while to clean out the machine. So does Maytag washers now
and it is made by Whirlpool.


The instructions for our 1-1/2 year old Bosch DW specificaly
indicated no pre-washing or rinsing. It will even removed all
but the very worst burnt on residue on a baking dish. I don't
remember offhand if they recomnmended a specific detergent or
rinse agent, but I use the Cascade Complete pillows, along
with Oxi-Clean Diswasher Booster in the rinse agent dispenser.
Phoenix is known for particularly hard water, but we have
absolutely spotless dishware and glasses, and even plastic
ware.

The turn-off about the Bosch was the "screen" rather than
having a grinder. They get disgusting and it's one more thing
to keep clean.

DId you ever actually own a Bosch? My screen stays as clean and
shiny as the day it was installed. I think I found a stray
kernal of corn on it once, but nothing more.

Nope. They got tossed out of the running because of the screen
rather than having a grinder. Bad idea. We bought a kitchen
full of Electrolux, instead. Much better all around. We were
quite happy with them so will do it again - no changes.

Having said that, I initially had my doubts about my choice of a
Bosch for several reasons, as I had only previously owned
dishwashers that had a soft wasate disposer and either a heating
element in the bottom or forced air heating for the drying
cycle. My doubts vanished after the first load.

That's not the issue. The problem is having to clean the
screen. Food *will* get trapped in it and it *does* have to be
cleaned. That's its purpose.

Once a month (or when I remember) I use a diswasher cleaner
(haven't tried the Afresh brand yet), but I do use Afresh
cleaner in our Maytag front load clothes washer.

We've never had to use a "dishwasher cleaner". If it can't
clean itself, how clean is it getting the dishes?

The SS tank and racks of my Bosch would stay as clean even if I
didn't use a dishwasher cleaner. However, the main function of
the cleaner is to dissolve mineral buildup in the pump and
interior plumbing parts of the machine. I probabaly wouldn't
use a cleaner if I didn't live in an area where the water did
have such a high mineral concentration.

Not buying it but then your statement is irrelevant WRT HE
clothes washers requiring cleaning.

I would install a water softener if I could, but the
configuration of my buildinhg doesn't allow for that. If I had
a water softener, I would have no need for a "dishwasher
cleaner".

I'm glad I don't need one. We had one in our first house and it
was nothing but a PITA.

FWIW, for those folks who complain about mold or mildrew in
their f/l clothes washers, their failure to leave the door
open either betwen washing sessions, or at least until the
areas around and within the seals are dry is usually the
cause.

No, we're not about to leave the door of a front-loader open.
Top-loader, sure, but requiring that a front-loader be left
open is nuts.

If you do have a front-loader and you close the door immediately
after finishing a load, leaving moisture in the tank and seal,
you're just asking for trouble. Virtually every manufacturer
recommends that the door be left open until everything is
thoroughly dried. As to top-loading machines, for the most part
they don't reuire it because there is no seal to the opening and
moisture isn't trapped inside.

Precisely the point. If the door has to be left open, it's a NO
SALE. BTW, you're not correct WRT (HE, anyway) top-loaders.
They also now have an issue with smell, for the same reasons.
The recommendation is to leave them open, also. No real problem
because they don't take any more floor space when open, aren't a
tripping hazard, and aren't susceptible to damage.

In any event, in my case it isn't a hardship to leave the door
open as my laundry equipment is in a large walk-in pantry with
no foot trafic and closed in by a door off my kitchen.

It's wasted space in any floorplan. *BAD* idea. We'll be
staying with top-loaders.

Obviously, there is no possibility of actually discussing or
explaining anything to you, since you apparently _always_ have to
be right and haved the last word.

You can go away at any time. You won't hurt my feelings.

Bye!

Good riddance.

I'm going away from you as fast as I can. You are a total waste of
space on this planet or any other. My last words...

Good. Now go away.