On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:37:36 PM UTC-5, Robert Green wrote:
"Wes Groleau" wrote in message



On 10-28-2013, 23:01, bud-- wrote:



"No longer code" is "wrong".



Other posts made it clear he meant not required by code.

Don't crucify him for failure to edit extensively.

That would violate Usenet tradition.



Thanks for pointing that out.

What for agreeing with you in something you said that is
WRONG? Two wrongs don't make a right, the NEC says so.




I didn't expect to find the Spanish

Inquisition nor was I writing for a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

No, you just sent a novice on a search for any ground connections
of any kind to his water pipes and told him it was no longer code.
The NEC says you're wrong.




I was

specifically thinking of what the Verizon installer did when I got my last

copper POTS line installed on the second floor on the side of the house not

near the service entrance (they really balked at doing that, BTW, saying

they don't like to "box" installations like that - my other phone lines

enter at the same side that the power lines do).



Then the Verizon installer was an idiot, because bringing
phone, cable, etc by the main electrical system ground to
an inter-system ground is what is typically done today. If you
just a fraction of what you claim, you would know that.
But here you are pontificating on grounding.




He said he had to run a ground wire from the network interface box all the

way back to the circuit panel and had to test to make sure he was hooking

into a valid ground. Clamping a ground wire to a nearby water pipe was no

longer considered code for new work, at least according to him. I have to

assume he knows what's up to code and what's not when installing a new phone

line since it does it several times a day.



If he knew what was code, he wouldn't have told you he doesn't
want to bring the line into the service area location, as that is
the PREFERRED location.



The considerable noise and harping surrounding my comments are just NDBF

because the OP apparently wouldn't know or care about the finer points of

the NEC.

Why don't you read it and then get back to us?


It's pretty clear this is a case of someone acting like the Wicked

Witch of the West and thinking "I'll get that Bobby Green and his little dog

Toto if it's the last thing I ever do!" (-: It makes it clear to me who's

interesting in solving the OP's problem and who's interesting in scoring

points in some game of canis mas macho.

You mean you? You sent the OP on a wild goose chase. Someone
who wouldn't even know what a ground connection looks like, what
purpose it serves, etc. YOU told him to go look for anything that
has a ground clamp and is connected to his water pipes and that it's
"no longer code". Complete BS. Check the NEC.





Yes, it's important to be

absolutely correct but at some point, it's counterproductive to helping the

OP with his problems which in this case was not to be electrocuted.



Yes, by guys like you who don't know what you're talking about.
Go find any ground connection to a water pipe! It's no longer code!
Good grief.





The most important reason for suggesting that the OP look for grounding

clamps on the pipe was because it was non-destructive, non-lethal, required

no special skills or tools and could be done with the power shut off.

And you also told him "It's no longer code....", which of course is BS.



If

there was a device that had failed and was energizing the line, being able

to quickly show the electrician the location of possible suspect connections

might have saved some time. Considering some of the other advice given, it

seems especially suspect to become obsessed over what apparently was quite

clear to you.



If the pipes are not providing a continuous ground path, a grounding clamp

on a section of isolated pipe could indeed be the source of the current if

the equipment it's connected to has failed. Of course, since this was

apparently a cowardly troll post to begin with, we'll never know any real

details. Too bad.



--

Bobby G.

Too bad you don't know WTF you're talking about.