On Monday, September 30, 2013 9:44:59 AM UTC-4, westom wrote:
On Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:48:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Good grief. Read the IEEE guide. If you had decent surge
protectorion, all that damage could have likely been prevented.
The IEEE Guide shows that good protector too far from earth ground.
Nonsense it shows it by the TV and protecting the TV in fig 7.
In fig 8, it clearly shows two TV's. One uses a plug-in multi-port
surge protector and it's protected from the destructive surge.
The other TV, TV2 without a plug-in protector in the same diagram
is damaged by the surge. The IEEE guide then states:
"A second multi-port protector as shown in Fig. 7 is required to protect TV2"
They show two separate instances of how to protect appliances, the
only two in fact, and both show the use of plug-in surge protectors.
Only a liar would turn that into:
"The IEEE Guide shows that good protector too far from earth ground."
Therefore nearby appliances were damaged by 8000 volts. How can this be since you claim a surge can be inside the house and never cause damage. Oh.
"A second multi-port protector as shown in Fig. 7 is required to protect TV2"
You are attacking the messenger because you have no facts.
I have the IEEE guide. It's quite obvious you have no credible
references at all that agree with your assertions. That's why
you have to take the IEEE guide and totally misrepresent and lie
about what it actually says. They show one TV protected from
a surge by a plug-in. The second TV, with no plug-in protector,
gets damaged. The IEEE guides states:
"A second multi-port protector as shown in Fig. 7 is required to protect TV2"
And you try to turn that into plug-in surge protectors being
useless, can't work because they have no earth ground, cause
damage, etc?
Good grief!
Protection means a surge current is not inside the house.
Again, 180deg opposite the IEEE guide.
Any protector that would stop or absorb that current at the appliance is ... well where is that manufacturer spec number that claims protection? Oh. You never provided one for one good reason.
Here's an example from APC:
https://www.apc.com/products/resourc...ase_sku=P6BMP4
Output
Number of Outlets
6
Receptacle Style
NEMA 5-15R
Input
Nominal Input Voltage
120V
Input Frequency
50/60 Hz +/- 5 Hz (auto sensing)
Input Connections
NEMA 5-15P NEMA 5-15P
Maximum Line Current per phase
15A
Cord Length
1.83 meters
Surge Protection and Filtering
Surge energy rating
490 Joules
eP Joule Rating
1080
EMI/RFI Noise rejection (100 kHz to 10 MHz)
20 dB
Peak Current Normal Mode
10 kAmps
Peak Current Common Mode
20 kAmps
Let Through Voltage Rating
330
Physical
Net Weight
0.45 KG
Maximum Height
292.00 mm
Maximum Width
57.00 mm
Maximum Depth
38.00 mm
Happy now?
Even the manufacturer does not claim to protect from typically destructive surges. So you attack the messenger rather than post facts.
Of course the manufacturer's claim that they protect from
typical surges.
Even the IEEE Guide shows what happens when a surge is not properly earthed by one 'whole house' protector. Appliances damaged by 8000 volts. Page 33 (Adobe page 42) figure 8.
What the IEEE guide actually shows is a diagram with two
TV's. TV1 is protected by a plug-in surge protector and
has no damage. TV2 has no surge protector and is damaged.
IEEE then states:
""A second multi-port protector as shown in Fig. 7 is required to protect TV2"