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Default How to Choose, Buy, and Safely Use a Good Surge Protector

On Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:32:46 PM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:48:38 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:



On Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:12:47 AM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:


On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:51:19 -0400, Metspitzer




wrote:








Most of us have more devices than we have plugs in the wall, which is




why you'll likely find a surge protector behind most people's




televisions and under our desks. However, not all surge protectors are




alike, and some even put your gadgets at risk. We talked to an




electrician to sort out how to tell the good ones from the bad ones,




and how to use them safely.








Charles Ravenscraft (yes, that's Lifehacker writer Eric Ravenscraft's




brother) is a licensed union electrician,








Why would an electrician be any kind of expert on surge protection?




Maybe he is, maybe he's full of crap.








My vote is for crap, not just for him but for the whole bloody




nonsense about surge protectors. It's a giant industry to protect you




from something that basically none of you have to worry about.








There was a guy in my computer club many years ago who worked for one




of the main companies that built surge protectors. He said it's all




nonsense as far as anyone really needing them.




What makes you think this person knows anything more than the


electrician you just criticized. Was he an electrical engineer,


familiar with surge protection concepts, or did he work


the company phone?










The transient spikes




are damped out in just a few feet of house wiring, I think he said 6




feet.




BS. Relevant documents from NIST, IEEE have been posted


here many times and they sure don't say anything like that.


Maybe you can explain to us the physics behind how 6 ft of


house wiring stops a surge.








So unless you have really crappy wiring in your house with bad




grounds and such and the outlet your computer is plugged into is the




same outlet as your 40 year old refrigerator uses that draws 20 amps




to start and dims the lights then repeats 6 times before finally




starting, you are chasing a mirage.




Refrigerators and similar appliances in the house typically don't


create the surges that need to be protected against.






About the only thing you might




need to worry about is lightening striking but if it does your little




surge strip isn't going to protect anything anyway.








Well that's true if the lightning bolt directly hits the TV


sitting in the living room. But that is almost impossible.


The surges from lightning that damage appliances in a house


are typically from lighting striking nearby,


eg hitting the utility lines along the street, the service


cable going to the house, etc. That creates a powerful surge,


on the lines going into the house, but it's a small amount


of the total energy from the lightning strike. Surge protectors are


effective in dealing with those surges. If they are not,


why do you think companies that have electronic eqpt


to protect, eg Telco, cable company, etc all use surge protection?








I've been buying the cheapest power strips I can find for 30 years and




have never had a problem with a power "surge" and I leave my system on




24/7. I did have lightening strike once and it blew the **** out of a




radio and computer and clock, fried a couple breakers, etc. No surge




protector would have stopped that motha.




Good grief. Read the IEEE guide. If you had decent surge


protectorion, all that damage could have likely been prevented.




Read what the IEEE panel of engineering professionals says:




http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/IEEE_Guide.pdf






That's lightening protection, not the "surge protection" the scammers

are selling.


"Where do you think most destructive surges seen by appliances
like a TV or PC come from? Did you bother to even read the IEEE guide?"


1. INTRODUCTION
This guide is intended to provide useful information about the proper specification
and application of surge protectors, to protect houses and their contents from
lightning and other electrical surges. The guide is written for electricians,
electronics technicians and engineers, electrical inspectors, building designers,
and others with some technical background, and the need to understand lightning
protection.
Surge protection has become a much more complex and important issue in recent
years."


Lightning is the most common sources of these destructive
surges. As Bud pointed out there are other possible sources
from utility events as well. You, in your post, basically
dismissed the possibility of protecting against lightning surges.

"I did have lightening strike once and it blew the **** out of a radio and computer and clock, fried a couple breakers, etc. No surge protector would have stopped that motha. "


The IEEE guide discusses exactly that situation. They show how
a lighting strike to the utility lines near a home creates
a surge at the appliance and they show a tiered
protection strategy that would have prevented the above damage
that you had. That strategy includes the use of multi-port,
plug-in surge protectors.
Also note that nowhere does that IEEE guide
written by several industry engineers who are experts
in the field say that 6 feet of wire will stop the typical
destructive surge, that plug-in surge protectors are useless, etc.
Did 6 ft stop your surge? Good grief.