On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:34:54 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
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John B. wrote in news:rruc39h1q0j6915mratkjd25gjvmkogs16@
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:50:20 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
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John B. wrote in
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:32:58 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
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John B. wrote in
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The U.S. kills some 37,000 people annually in auto accidents and
injures an additional 2.35 million. Versus a miserable 11,000 gun
deaths.

This is not true.

There are approximately 10,000 to 11,000 gun *murders* in the U.S. annually.

And more than half again as many suicides.

The total number of gun deaths in the U.S. is very close to the total number of
automobile
deaths. Not quite, but very close -- within less than ten percent.

I see, you want to count those who have decided that life is no longer
living? I assume that you believe that without a gun they would not
be able to kill themselves?

I want to correct a false statement, that is all. The claim that there are 11,000 gun deaths in
the US annually is false.

Technically correct but on the other hand, if someone hangs themselves
do we call it a "rope death"? Or slashes them with a razor blade a
"razor death"? Or do we just say "they killed themselves"?

Beside the point. When an anti-gun activist says that guns kill [almost] as many people as
cars every year, he's telling the truth -- and if you say, no, that's not so, it's only one-third as
much, he *has* the statistics to prove his figure. You don't. What you need to counter that is
the knowledge that yes, in fact, there are nearly as many firearm deaths as automobile
deaths annually -- but what the anti-gun activist probably does *not* know is that about *two
thirds* of them are suicides, and very few of them are accidents.

Bottom line: make sure you have *all* the facts before engaging in debate.

Firstly, I really don't give a **** what the anti-gun mob has to say.
If they acted even halfway rationally I might listen but they don't.
And, for that matter, neither do many of the pro gun lot.

Your insistence in quoting the suicides as gun deaths is, while
basically correct in that they died, as a result of shooting
themselves, the implication is that you are seizing on a number to
bolster an argument. After all, we don't rush about counting "Bed
Deaths", when, in fact, the vast majority of people who die in the
United States die in bed, which makes as much sense as counting
suicides when counting anything.

Or, perhaps we should ban beds, then perhaps all those people wouldn't
have died?
--
Cheers,

John B.