On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:56:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

I note that all of the answers to this point are written by people who
do not live here writing irrationally as apologists for pylons. None
address the fundamental problem of numbers, that for every turbine
there are probably hundreds or thousands of pylons (I've searched but
not been able to find a figure for the number of pylons in Scotland).

http://www.ppdlw.org/articles/wind_t...al_tourism.pdf

"Heading the list of things that most detracted from a visit to the
country were electricity pylons and mobile phone masts followed
closely by wind turbines and telephone poles. (It is not clear if
respondents were aware, when questioned, of the height of wind
turbines.)"

I don't agree with everything written in these links, but some of the
pictures from both sites taken together as putative before and after
do make the eyesore point quite well:
http://www.hbp.org.uk/
http://benvironment.org.uk/post/5269...ant-new-pylons

With respect to the Scottish landscape, it's irrational to complain
about wind turbines and have no complaint about pylons.

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:41:44 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

For example, he moans about the wind turbines on the landscapes he
drives through, but is apparently blind to the pylons, which almost
certainly outnumber the turbines by hundreds or thousands to one. A
turbine is only an eyesore, if you consider it such, I don't really,
at the point of installation. Pylons, in contrast, are all over the
Highlands & Islands, and are a much greater collective eyesore, yet
none of the anti-wind brigade ever complain about them.

Across the whole of the UK there are roughly 4 x more transmission system pylons
than wind turbines and more than 72 x more wind turbines than large power
stations

22,000 pylons vs 5,000 wind turbines vs 69* large power stations

There are 88,000 pylons including the distribution network, the number on the
transmission network, 400kV 275kV and 132kV is just 22,000*

The big difference is that pylons rarely run along high ground, blend into the
landscape and fulfil a very vital service. Wind turbines are often on high
ground, stick out like a sore thumb and do nothing other than leach money from
the poor to benefit rich offshore based parasites.


69 large power statons, or one for every 3500 sq km and almost invisible in
comparison to wind turbines

*
http://www.nationalgrid.com/NR/rdonlyres/54CF2C41-A1C5-45DD-AB31-2653615B1790/49386/NationalElectricityTransmissionSystemPerformanceRe port2010201119.pdf
http://www.nationalgrid.com/NR/rdonlyres/4933FA38-A087-4783-941E-9FD8D1CA59BC/49018/Pylondesign16ppbookletFINAL.pdf
http://www.renewableuk.com/en/renewable-energy/wind-energy/uk-wind-energy-database/index.cfm


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