Folks I don't mean to come off as a moderator but there is this newsgroup called rec.autos.tech .

Let's try to move the automotive issues over there and keep alt.home.repair about, uhhh, home repair!(replacement windows, rocking toilets, that mysterious smell in the basement, why does my $1500 stainless steel refrigerator with built in TV and coffee maker make a sound like a B-17 bomber engine??)