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On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 09:23:06 -0500, "Attila Iskander"
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason)
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On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
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On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

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Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable
of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason
because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really are
dumb****s.

When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and
his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they
sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to
them
on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers,
he
was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly
if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry
still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan
because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St.
Ronnie
who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have
50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the
children,
the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single
day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the
underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same
way.
I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the
dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT
card is
a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of
food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior
of
the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of
sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story
of
a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food
stamps
away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who
want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus
taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program.
However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing
the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000
in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Another false argument
You have waste in the MILLIONS, if not billions

I asked Jason how much he would be willing to spend to avoid $1,000 in
fraud.

Take it up with Jason, he's the one who wants to spend huge amounts.

USDA says fraud is about 1% of SNAP. Do you have a cost-effective way
to
cut it further? They want to hear about it.

I seem to recall that I stated that 5% to 10% of the entire food stamp
program should be set aside to investigate cases of fraud and abuse.

But you didn't explain why you want to waste 5-10% of the SNAP budget to
examine the 1-2% of fraud in the SNAP program.

What makes you claim it would be a waste ?

It appears that at least some posters want to do nothing to combat fraud
and abuse.

Liar.

Yes you are
And you do it every chance you get.

If nothing is done, it means millions of children will suffer
from hunger due to their parent or parents making use of their food stamp
cards to purchase illegal drugs; gambling in casinos and visiting strip
clubs.

Let's see some figures on how many people are doing any such thing
without being caught and stopped.

You're the one claiming that the fraud is only 1-2%
What is the basis of that claim ?
How do you know that is an ACTUAL representation of ALL the fraud ?
(Are you claiming 100% success at identifying and stopping the fraud ?)

Why not go back to the older system where food stamp coupons were used to
buy food and only for real food and not for whiskey. That system worked
very well for dozens of years.

No, it didn't. There was a HUGE black market in those pieces of paper.

YUP
There will ALWAYS be fraud
Even more when you don't aggressively control it and accept a certain level
of cheating

The food stamp cards that work like credit cards make fraud and abuse far
easier.

No, it doesn't. How can knowing exactly how the money is being spent
make fraud and abuse easier. Selling pieces of paper is where the fraud
was. Which is one of the reasons it was changed.

NOPE
The reason it was changed is because it's cheaper to issue one card and
replenish it on a regular basis, than it is to print, process, handle a
bunch of paper.

IT was an administrative cost reduction and NOT an increase in control.