On Jun 1, 2:07*pm, "Attila Iskander" wrote:
"Free Lunch" wrote in message

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On Jun 1, 8:19 am, Free Lunch wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:35:01 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
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In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free
Lunch
wrote:
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How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000
in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp
program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without
food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that
what
you want to happen?

You make a reasonable effort to make it uninviting and difficult to
engage in SNAP fraud and punish those who are caught doing so, but as
with every other type of crime, we know that some people will get away
with it.

It is much more wasteful to spend 10% on enforcement than allow a far
smaller amount to be diverted to fraud. Like most law enforcement, the
first few dollars are the most effective.

Of course the concept that the first few dollars are the most
effective doesn't apply to the welfare programs themselves,
right? *Why no. *In that case, the sky is the limit:

"Better there be a little bit of fraud than have ANYone go hungry"

We passed the point of people going hungry anywhere even
close to what really going hungry means around the world
a very long time ago. *Today, look at people on welfare and
they have TV, cable, AC, Fritos.,....

What welfare program are you speaking of? Which country?

The one where the poor people are also the fattest in the world
* * To the best of my knowledge you don't get fat being hungry

They're fat not because they've got too much to eat, but because their
food access is limited to the wrong kinds of food. The vast majority
of people on SNAP live in "food deserts," places where full-service
grocery stores are an impractical distance away, and the only food
outlets are convenience stores and fast food restaurants. This
results in diets that are high in simple carbohydrates and over-
processed foods and low in fresh vegetables, fruits, and lean
proteins, things that you have to eat to stay slim. It's not a
question of how many calories they consume, but of *what kind* of
calories are available for consumption. If the only things available
to you to eat are McDonald's, pizza, KFC and packaged mac-and-cheese
dinners, you're going to be fat, too.

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