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"Attila Iskander" wrote:
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"Attila Iskander" wrote:
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 18:30:29 -0700, Fidem Turbare, the
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:54:15 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 11:16:22 -0400
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 10:46:34 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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Alfred E. Newman wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:36:09 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
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In article
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Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:

Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youth
May 23 2013

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The Boy Scouts of America
voted Thursday to end its controversial policy
banning gay kids and teens from joining one of
the nation's most popular youth organizations,
ditching membership guidelines that had roiled
the group in recent years. Over 61 percent of
Scouting's National Council of 1,400 delegates
from across the country voted to lift the ban,
BSA officials said. The final tally was 757 yes
votes, to 475 no.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...boy-scouts-vot
e-to- lift-ban-on-gay-youth?lite

It's about ****ing time!

Next step is to allow atheists. Until that day, the
Boy Scouts are still a bigoted organization.

--

JD

Jeanne, why do you say they are still bigoted? Is it
because you weren't allowed to join because of what
you have between your legs? Or was it because of
what you don't have between your ears?

I had the Girl Scouts available to me. A FAR better
organization than the Boy Scouts.

Nonsense. If that's true, why are so many girls
trying to get into Boy Scouts?


Who says they are?

I wouldn't expect you to know anything that's going on
around you.

Your expectations are not a problem for atheists, so long as
you're not trying to impose your values on others.

Boy Scouts AND Girl Scouts are shrinking even
as the population of young teens is growing. They
are shrinking into irrelevancy.

...and you rejoice.

Actually, the elimination of organizations that are founded
on discriminatory ideals is of tremendous benefit to the
psychological health of modern societies.

By that "logic", you should be eliminated.

Does that mean you believe that organizations founded on
discriminatory ideals are beneficial to modern societies?

Careful: this is a very wide and woolly definition indeed!
In Europe, this rationale can and indeed is being used to
fight anything that smacks of "elitism", including schools
and universities that try to be centres of educational and
scholastic excellence. Ditto organisaitons and institutions
that practise positive discrimination, say for women or
minorities: these, too, would fall under that
categorisation.

Indeed.
People who dive into such waters often fail to think ahead of
the unintended consequences of their beliefs and actions.

A little bit of Marxism can cure that "elitism" problem (as long
as the populace is willing to make an exception for the ruling
class).

Too bad you didn't study enough history to learn how that nonsense
usually turns out..
(Hint: Not well)

I wasn't advocating complete Marxism, therefore your assumption
that I "didn't study enough history" lacks credible justification.


Is "a little Marxism" like being "a littel bit pregnant" ?

No.

History also shows that "a little marxism" also has a tendency to
grow bigger over time.

How it grows depends primarily on the leadership. If they desire a
greater amount of control, then oppression will be retrofitted into the
social evolution. If they are more loyal to their followers, then the
social evolution will head in a very different direction.

Compared to alternatives like capitalist democracies, communism tends
to scale really well with larger populaces. Democracy, on the other
hand, tends to be less effective as the size of the populace grows. It
doesn't mean that one is better than the other, rather that the
ideologies are just better-suited to certain environments.

In addition to that, your concession that history isn't a reliable
guide, as implied by your use of the word "usually," has been
accepted.

Made no such concession
That is PURELY of figment of your fantasy
Nothing to do with reality
Now go look up the meaning of "usually" you dummy.

The word "usually," unlike "always," is not an absolute, so you weren't
specific enough to exclude your implication from being a concession,
even if that was only a partial concession.

Your inclusion of a fallacious ad hominem attack further reduces the
apparent credibility of your otherwise-reasonable response.

--
Fidem Turbāre, the non-existent atheist goddess
"I don't believe that God exists because I have not seen any evidence
ever provided for the existence of such, just like I don't believe that
my right arm could spontaneously turn into a frog."
-- Daniel San (February 18, 2012)