On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:56:45 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:20:40 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:43:52 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:12:56 -0400, "Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:14:19 PM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
Ok, you had your vote.
You Lost.
Get over it.
You were trying hard to punish innocent people for the crimes
of so very few criminals.
In what way is requiring a background check (less of a background check
than is required to be a crossing guard in my town) before purchasing a
lethal weapon "punishment?"
There SHOULD be a background check..........to VOTE!
In all but about five states, ID is required to vote. In most states,
no ID is required to buy a handgun.
Your lies and distortions are getting old...
Hey, moron, check out the laws on private sales. First, from the NRA:
http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/alabama.aspx
...then, for further explanation, from the Law Center to Prevent Gun
Violence:
http://smartgunlaws.org/category/sta...sales-of-guns/
You'll note they're not in disagreement, but you can link to each
state's statutes, if you're a skeptic.
There are six states that require background checks on private sales,
and two additional states that require bookkeeping or reporting of
private sales.
In most states, it's "Katie Bar the Doors, We've got a buyer, and he
has a pulse -- and some money!"
So wake up.
The fact is that that all handgun sales across state lines require a FFL
and a background check. The fact is that intrastate private sales are
prohibited if the seller has any reason to believe that the buyer could
not pass a background check.
Hahaha! And how do you prove that he DID have reason to believe that?
The gang tattoos are usually a good indication...
Well, that's 20% of homicides:
http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Su...-Gang-Problems
How about the other 80%?
but then in most of
those cases the seller also has gang tattoos and is also a convicted
felon, adding a few more felonies to the whole transaction, again making
background checks entirely irrelevant.
And you know this about sellers, how?
All he has to say is that the buyer said he was OK, and the seller had
no evidence to the contrary. He doesn't even need to ask for an ID in
most states. So a seller in Aridzona could be selling to someone from
Maryland, and he'd have no way to know it if the buyer said he was not
"prohibited," including that he was an Aridzona resident.
A prohibited buyer traveling across multiple states to buy a firearm
from a private seller, my you are grasping at mighty thin straws.
You're the one who brought up out-of-state purchases. There is enough
crime within most states that you don't need that hypothesis to begin
with.
And there is enough psychosis to go around, too.
Once
again you're assembling a felony transaction that background checks have
no relevance to,...
The point is that background checks, where they're required for
private sales (six states), will disallow anyone who doesn't pass
NICS.
The seller would neither know, nor have to make any effort to find
out.
It was the "Making the World Safe for Violent Criminals" act.
The oft cited street corner sales are
felonies, and background checks have no relevance whatsoever.
But where did those guns come from? From legal sources. The FBI says
the largest single *criminal* source is strawman purchases, followed
by thefts.
Straw purchases are felonies, not legal purchases as are thefts and no
background check has any relevance.
You miss the point. A straw purchase looks like a legal purchase under
the law, until the straw purchaser sells the gun to a criminal or
mental defective, and the straw purchaser knows the buyer was
unqualified. In most states now, there's no way to prove that he knew
it. He can go right on with his straw-purchasing business.
If a straw purchaser/seller sells the gun -- which is the point of
being in the straw-purchase business to begin with -- he should have
to run a background check on the buyer. Then he can't get away with
saying "Gee, the guy said he wasn't a prohibited buyer." Which, of
course, ends any possible prosecution, unless the prosecutor is
unusually lucky and has lots of other evidence. And that's rare. Straw
purchasing is a pretty safe business as the laws stand in most states
now.
'See the relevance?
You know this perfectly well like
other anti-gun propagandists, but you can't let facts get in the way of
your ideology.
I think we can penetrate your thick skull with the facts if you just
pay attention.
--
Ed Huntress