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Bill Graham

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 08:19:41 -0700, "Bill Graham"
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On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:35:32 -0700, "Bill Graham"
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On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 17:49:35 -0700, "Bill Graham"
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On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:58:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 07:42:13 -0400, Meanie
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On 4/6/2013 12:51 AM, Bill Graham wrote:

My point is simple. Unless you can prove that you were layed
off for reasons unrelated to your job performance and or
money restrictions, you can probably do nothing about it.

Laid off or fired is irrelevant. If enough time elapse with
the job, the ex-employee can collect unemployment
compensation.
Not if you are fired "with cause" in Canada - at least in
Ontario.

Doesn't it depend on the cause? If the job changes and you're
now not qualified, it is a firing with cause (incompetency) but
it's not something you can do anything about.

True. And this happens to many people in this computer age. I
was a high energy physics machind operator. They obsoleted my
machind and transferred me to a new, much larger and more
complicated machind when I was older and less able to memorize
large quantities of information. They didnlt lay me off, but
they instituted a, "geezer elimination program" (my descriotion)
where they paid you two weeks salery for every year you had been
with them (up to a maximum of a years pay.) Since I had been
with them for 28 years, I g9ot a years pay to leave, so I
retired at the age of 61, but didn't start collecting any social
security until the following year, at 62.
It is "constructive dismissal" in Canada - and is NOT "with
cause". The employer pays

You speak as if it were a law. In Canada, it may well be a law.
Here there is no such law. If your employer wants to get rid of
some people, he just lets them go, but pays them for their
accumulated vacion time. When I left Stanford University, they
didn;t even pay for ones accumulated sick leave. I had around 6
months sick leave on the books, (I was almost never sick) and
didn;t get paid for that. Smaller businesses here in those days,
didn;t pay for vacations or holidays, either. Bsck in the mid 60's
I worked for a place that fixed shipboard radars, and one day, my
boss said, "Tomorrow.s the 4th of July, so you guys don;t have to
come in". We all thought we would be paid, but when we got our
checks a couple of weeks later, we only got paid for 4 days that
week...:^)
Accumulated sick leave is a perk that is generally regulated by
your employment contract - if non-union it usually does not exist.
Many unions are having to let that "bonus" go. I say good riddance.
Not sure how it is in the USA, but since the sixties here in Ontario
vacation pay has been mandatory in all but a few select job classes
(education, police service, and a few others). It differs from
province to province. 4% of total earnings from day one, and 2 weeks
time off after one year - 6% and 3 weeks after 5 years in Ontario.
Statutary holidaysvary depending whether you are in a provincially
or federally regulated industry - some stats are provincial, some
are federal.

Again - this is Canada (and Ontario) specific. We are a "socialist"
society - The "american way" may differ.

Oh, not to worry. We are catching up. We are getting more and more
socialized every year. I hate it, because it cripples the free
enterprise system, but I am only one small voice in an ocean of
shouting. When money is plentiful, the socialism seems to work
pretty well. But when a small business is going under, these laws
just serve to sink it faster. (which may not be a bad thing)
I love it. It ENABLES the free enterprize system. It sets standards
that both the employer and employee can depend on. The employer knows
what his responsibilities are, and between the employer and the
employee most of the responsibilities are pree-paid and pre-funded.
Without unwelcome surprises, business can concentrate on business - .

But this is the Canadian System - which you yanks call "socialist" -
and consider the first step towards "communism". Yes, it has some
socialist charachteristics - but it is a very capitalistic system in
all other ways.

You can have your "ameican way".

But not for long. The Socialists are now in power......