On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:09:12 -0400, wrote:


My goverment? No. The people who are currently running it? No, they
are socialists as well. Though fascism is just a form of socialism.
Tell me you didnt know that..right?


If you go far enough left, you end up extreme right.

Actually not true. To the Left is totalitarianism, to the far right
is anarchy.

Your delight in socialism is simply a cul de sac at the far left end
of the road.

One side of that cul de sac is socialism/communism..the other side is
fascism. Just the odd and even numbers to tell them apart.


Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:00 am

By KL Jensen
A recent letter to the editor repeatedly tried to associate Fascism
with the Tea Party movement. Clearly, the author fails to understand
the concept of Fascism. Fascism was coined by the Italian dictator
Benito Mussolini in the 1920's.

Mussolini grew up as a committed follower of Marxist
Socialism/Communism. From its theoretical inception by Karl Marx and
Friedrich Engels, Communism has always been an international movement
with the goal of spreading Socialism and eventually Communism globally
.... thus the penchant for many trade unions to include the word
€˜International' in their name: IBEW, SEIU, IUOE, etc.

Mussolini came to realize that actually implementing International
Communism was a daunting and likely impossible task. The local "home"
environment within national boundaries consisting of a common language
and culture would be easier to organize under Socialism.

Ultimately Mussolini rejected Marx's global concept of

Socialism/Communism and devised the idea of National Socialism, a
compulsory "cooperation" between the Italian State government and
major businesses, industries, agriculture, and banks within the state
in order to streamline efficiency "for the good of the people". The
"people" themselves are unable to manage the affairs of the State ...
they must be led by an all-powerful dictator.

Big businessmen throughout Europe and America loved it [at first] --
it implied they could participate directly in collusion with
government to access markets for their specific goods, at the expense
of small businesses. €˜Crony Capitalism' was now formally part of €˜Big
Government'.

A key distinction between Fascism and Marxist Socialism/Communism is
that Fascism allows people to own private property, where Marxism
dictates the State owns all property. Fascism was deemed more
efficient, for the State doesn't have to create a bureaucracy to
maintain the properties. The state dictates how the private property
is used [including industry and farms] -- sort of like our
contemporary EPA and zoning boards. In reality, private ownership is
an illusion.

Adolph Hitler loved Mussolini's Fascism, and incorporated it into his
German brand of National Socialism, which devolved into Nazism. Hitler
eventually co-opted Mussolini himself.

At first the Communists tolerated National Socialism and Fascism,
seeing it as a stepping-stone to Communism. The German Communists made
up a slogan embracing the idea -- "First Brown, then Red", referring
to the brown shirts the German National Socialists wore.

With Hitler's co-opting of the Fascist movement, and his determination
to keep Germany a racially pure state, the German and Russian
Communists realized Germany and Italy would never "progress" to the
International Communist model. Thus the National Socialists,
Democratic Socialists, Nazis, and Fascists of Germany and Italy became
the bitter enemies of the Communists.

Germany and Italy were roadblocks to the implementation of Global
Communism. This battle between communism and fascism has always been
about two distinct leftist Socialist movements -- one favoring an
International socialism, the other a national socialism. Neither
movement has anything in common with the American concepts of
individualism and independence.

To equate fascism with American conservatism or the current Tea Party
movement is a gross error in thinking, reflecting ignorance of the
true history of the fascist movement.

Fascism has far more in common with today's progressive socialist
movement, and progressives are increasingly becoming known as Liberal
fascists.

Consider the many collusions between the Federal government under
Democrats and big business [GE, Solyndra, GM, Chrysler, etc.] along
with federal government control of banking, housing, healthcare ...
add in the nanny-state regulators and overseers of OSHA/EH&S, EPA,
etc., in manufacturing and production, and it becomes abundantly clear
our current American government is significantly fascist in structure.

However, ascribe the blame where it lies, at the feet of the American
progressive socialist movement. Many RINO Republicans contributed to
this as well, but the dominant socialist movement lies in the
Democratic Party.

The deluded Marxist Communists still keep hoping that they're going to
come out on top in the long run.

Fascism requires a constant enemy. For Hitler it was the Jewish
people. For the modern fascist, the enemy is

individualism and its small government, free-enterprise capitalism,
regardless of race and ethnicity.

Fiscal conservatives, libertarian conservatives, libertarians, and the
Tea Party are not fascists by any meaning of the word.

*
Is Fascism left or right?

It's a left-wing ideology, as it is always accompanied by economic
socialism.

The idea that fascists could be conservatives is from the liberals
realizing (to their horror) that folks have done what they wanted to
do, got caught, and sullied their pristine name of [fill-in-blank]. In
other words, it's the conservatives who want to tell people what to
do, right? No. The conservatives are capitalists, who want the market
only regulated so that people are not hurt (i.e., FDA). The liberal
wants everything regulated. The socialist wants the government to own
some key industries. The fascist knows that the government need only
have control of key industries (by loaning them money or dictating who
their CEO's can be). Both of those tactics are things the liberal only
will attempt. Ironically, while the liberal is accusing the
conservative of being a fascist, the liberal is also accusing the
conservative of having not stopped whatever industry from doing
something they say was wrong. Which is it?

*

The Nazi party, a left-wing liberal movement
fiscal, left, left-wing, liberal, liberals, Nazi, nazi left-wing, nazi
leftist, nazi liberal, nazi liberals, nazi party, Nazis

The liberal atheist media has tried to portray the Nazis as a radical
right-wing movement but any historian or politician whos studied the
Nazi party would find the exact opposite to be true.

You will always here liberals and liberal atheists claim the Nazis
were €œfar right wing€� but its time for me to completely debunk that
myth.

The Nazis are labeled as €œfar right€� simply for being fascist. By that
definition, any party whether they are fiscally left or right would be
labeled as €œfar right€� if they are fascist.

But far-right as in libertarian, pro-capitalist, pro-Austrian
economist or small-government the Nazis were not.

€�We are socialists, we are enemies of todays capitalistic
economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with
its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being
according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and
performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all
conditions€�

- Adolf Hitler, Hitlers speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in: Toland,
John (1992). Adolf Hitler. Anchor Books. pp. 224€“225. ISBN 0385037244.

Some liberals have claimed that Hitler retracted this statement, this
claim of course turned out to be just another lie. Hitler never
retracted this statement ever. Instead a historian claims that Hitler
had regrets about using the word €œsocialism€� simply because Hitler
said €œ€�Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether€�. But
claiming that socialism is an unfortunate word is a far cry from
retracting his statement. Contrary to what liberals claim, Hitler
continued to strongly oppose capitalism and never retracted this
statement.

There is absolutely nothing conservative, pro-capitalist, or
right-wing about the Nazis. Most conservatives are only anti-illegal
immigration, not against all immigration like the Nazis were, and in
the past conservatives like Ronald Reagan gave amnesty. Im sure that
most conservatives strongly oppose illegal immigration.

The Nazis or National Socialists were very fiscally left-wing on
nearly all issues, although you can find some isolated incidences
where the Nazis supported privatization of some industry, private
property or something along those lines, the Nazis still were overall
anti-capitalist (as well as anti-communist) and strongly opposed to
capitalism.

The Nazis were also socially liberal on many issues as well.

So what are my reasons for labeling the Nazis are being a far-left
wing liberal movement?

Nationalization of corporations and industries

€œ13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous)
associated industries (trusts)€�
- The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

So which party supports nationalization of corporations and
industries? Is that more left-wing or right-wing?
Profit-sharing

€œ14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries€�
- The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

Profit-sharing is definitely a left-wing liberal idea.
Expansion of pension

€œ15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age
welfare€œ
- The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

Expansion of old age welfare? Couldnt be a small-government
conservative if you supported it.
Keynesian economic policies
Basically all of the Nazis economic policies were Keynesian as
opposed to Austrian. This means the Nazis supported (and in fact did)
things like running large deficits and using government programs to
reduce unemployment. There is absolutely nothing pro-Austrian
economist about the Nazis at all.
Anti-free-market capitalist
The Nazis had government-controlled capitalism, which is a form of
socialism and essentially the exact opposite of free-market capitalism
(where the government has little to no control). The Nazi government
had control over corporations. The Nazis also had
government-controlled wages and prices as well. All these policies
are the exact opposite of far right-wing free-market Austrian
economists policies.
Pro-animal rights
Its impossible to deny that the Nazis were pro-animal rights.

An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a
necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain,
but it is also a law for humanity itself

- Hermann Göring, leading member of the Nazi party

The Nazis were the very first country in history to ban
vivisection. The Nazis also made restrictions on hunting and banned
commercial animal trapping. Many people who violated animal rights
laws were sent to concentration camps.

So is being pro-animal rights more left or right?
Pro-Government control

€œ25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation
of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the
central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in
general€�
- The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

The Nazis wanted the government to have unlimited power over all.
This is once again a typical leftist viewpoint of wanting government
power over personal freedom. Leftists and liberals constantly promote
the idea of more government involvement, more government control, and
bigger government claiming that it is a good thing for the government
to have power over individuals and corporations.

When liberals argue that Hitler was some how right-wing their weak
arguments usually involve:
- Pointing out quotes where Hitler spoke out against Marxism (ignoring
the quotes where Hitler spoke out against capitalism and that most
liberal Democrats are not Marxists)
- Intentionally ignoring the 25-point Program of the NDSAP
- Pointing out that Hitler was patriotic or believed in a strong
national defense (while ignoring that many other ideologies on the
left also believe in patriotism and building a strong national
defense)

The simple fact is overall Hitler and the Nazis fit in closely to the
left-wing liberal Democratic party. Their anti-communist and
anti-capitalist views mesh very well with the modern liberal Democrat
party, and theres no way to deny this.

Even White Nationalists on the most popular White Nationalist forum
have admitted that the Nazis were left-wing €“
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t617746/. The very same user who made
this post is also admittedly an atheist saying €œIm an Atheist and an
adherent to the Darwinian-Galtonian school of evolutionary thought€�.

So how can anyone deny that Hitler and the Nazis were much more
left-wing than right-wing on nearly every issue, and much closer to
left-wing overall than right-wing?