On Feb 27, 9:44*pm, "Existential Angst" wrote:
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On Feb 27, 3:54 pm, "Existential Angst" wrote:





"whoyakidding's ghost" wrote in message

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On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:33:24 -0800 (PST), harry
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On Feb 26, 10:12 pm, "Existential Angst" wrote:
despite
the fact that there is 1/100 the mechanical complexity in an electric
than
in an ICE.

EVs are FAR more complex than an ICE car.
Hybrids even more so, you have two complete power systems inone car.

Yes but EA isn't interested in an actual EV. He thinks there could be
a cheap, full electric, long range, no computer, no airbags,
lightweight, roadworthy car that can also reduce his utility rate and
be so simple that even a proven mental midget could build it.

First, most of what you just said is lying bull****.
I already said the Volt design IS the right design.
It just should not be $45K.
And yeah, lightweight would help, 2 airbags would suffice, etc.

He COULD

try doing some basic research, perhaps starting by reading the manual
for an electric wheelchair controller. But it's easier to keep making
unsupportable claims. It's akin to a child thinking he can climb a
ladder to touch the sun. When the ladder doesn't reach he gets a
taller ladder.

Apparently neither of you have taken apart an ICE or a transmission.
When you do, post back.

Dudes: Electric car = battery + motor....... WTF part of battery+motor
don't you get??

It's you who doesn't get it. * You keep claiming that building
an electric car is trivial. *All the world's auto manufacturers,
who actually are doing it, don't seem to think so.
For example, what part of a big honking battery suitable to power a
car being, large, heavy and expensive, don't you get? *Yeah, it's
just a battery, but so far no one knows how to make one that
stores a lot of energy and is cheap. *That includes not only the
auto makers, but all the battery makers out there.

Also, to try to get mileage that is barely acceptable
requires more than a simple motor and battery. *Regenerative
braking technology being an example. *If you don't recover
that energy, then the car isn't going to go nearly as far.
And then folks have this funny thing about thinking that a
car should have A/C, heat, stereo, etc, basicly the standard feature
set
that you'd find in similar cars today. *And for cars that cost $45K,
that's a lot of stuff. *No one is going to buy a stripped down,
barebones car at even 25K, let alone that price. *Then there
are the govt mandates, like airbags, crash resistant bumpers, etc.
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Correck me if ahm wrong, but you get alladat in a Nissan Versa for what,
$12K???

Seems to me swapping out an IC engine, transmission, starter, efi, etc etc
etc, for a fukn electric motor and a few batteries would be more than an
even trade, eh?

Why? Just because you say so? The free market prices around the
world
for actually doing it, particularly for key items like that battery,
say you're wrong.
Either all the same manufacturers that are churning out other cars at
competitive prices are in on some grand conspiracy, or, as usual,
you're
just talking about things you don't understand.


*Oh, yeah, and regenerative braking, of course. *Which
certain types of motors do by themselves, btw, when slowing down.

Not saying people shouldn't be paid for new designs, but ferchrissakes,
nearly FOUR times the Versa price??

First you made an ass of yourself with your dumb assertions
about the cost per mile to charge an electric car versus gas.
Crap you just made up, instead of taking 5 mins to find out the
facts, which are widely available for many sources that HAVE
ACTUALLY TESTED THE CARS. Now you've
switched to this nonsense. You have no expertise in battery
technology, cost, or apparently much of anything else.



Funny, no one was complaining about how unsafe the 1974 beetle was.... *I
suspect they just drove better back then.

The world has changed since then. The 1974 beetle would
not meet federal crash resistant bumper standards, air bag
standards, etc. As have customer expectations for what
they want in a car today.




How bout a gummint mandate for crawling helmets for toddlers?
Are you wearing yours, Trader?? *LOLhttp://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/147384965.html
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EA


I suspect at some point you didn't wear a helmet. It's one
explanation of why you keep making a complete ass of yourself.
You see anyone here agreeing with you?