On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:38:56 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:22:54 -0500, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

On 2/24/2013 1:06 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

Make a sensible argument, and I'll be all ears. So far, you haven't
done much of that.


Perfectly sensible. Registration = confiscation at some time in the
near future.

We've had handgun registration in NJ since 1966, IIRC. How much longer
are we supposed to wait for confiscation?



License people to own guns but registration will lead to
confiscation! If you don't see that it's because you refuse to.

I don't "see" it because I don't see it. Do you see it? Where do you
see it?

How about NYC? No? Hmmm...

It may be, somewhere, but all I've seen is the movies that run in the
heads of paranoid gun nutz.


http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor...tem.asp?id=195


Registration Means Confiscation in California & Connecticut
by Stephen Cicero

Gun owners in California and Connecticut have discovered that it
really CAN happen here. Advertising has been strong here in San Diego
recently, urging all owners of the SKS "Sporter" to turn them in for a
$230 reimbursement before January 1, 2000. "If you own an SKS Sporter,
you can’t sell it and you can’t shoot it. You MUST turn it in before
January 1 or face criminal charges and confiscation" goes the ad which
has been run on local radio stations.

This particular problem started with passage of the Roberti-Roos
Assault Weapons Control Act in 1989. At that time there were two
available models of the SKS rifle - one with a fixed magazine, and one
designed to accept a detachable magazine, the "Sporter" model.

The Roberti-Roos law banned sales of the SKS Sporter rifle, but owners
of the gun were able to keep them so long as they complied with a
background check and had the gun registered. Apparently, most records
of long gun sales were not retained, but the Sporter was treated
differently. Ownership was actually registered, and the records kept.

There was additional confusion over the SKS since there were
after-market kits available to convert the unregistered fixed-magazine
model to accept a detachable magazine. In response to the confusion,
California passed AB48 which granted immunity to SKS owners, but also
established a buyback program. As an aside, the buyback pays a higher
price than that for which the rifles were originally sold!

NOW, California has a new Attorney General, a Democratic Governor, and
a State Legislature also controlled by the Democrats. NOW the law is
being reinterpreted, and SKS owners who acted in good faith by
complying with the terms of Roberti-Roos are left holding the bag.
There are also some sixty additional models of "assault rifle",
outlawed since 1992, which appear on the list currently designated for
confiscation!

During his run for Governor in 1997, Former Attorney General Dan
Lungren reversed his own earlier decision about the SKS Sporter.
Bowing to political pressure, he declared them illegal, thus
demonstrating that the trust of SKS owners was misplaced.

In Connecticut, Governor John Rowland has signed a new law that allows
police to seize firearms from the home of any person whom authorities
believe may be CONSIDERING a criminal act. A warrant must be issued
based on probable cause, and the judge issuing the warrant may
consider numerous factors including threats or acts of violence,
cruelty to animals, and (of course) drug or alcohol abuse. This is
probably the first law in the nation that allows confiscation prior to
any overt violent act.

Of course, several people have raised Constitutional questions
regarding both of these developments, but here is a chilling comment
from Sam Paredes, deputy director of Gun Owners of California: "When
people turn in these guns and they get their vouchers, you know their
name is going into a hat. It’s going to go into a database as a
previous owner of an illegal assault gun and that concerns us."

The California DOJ has admitted they have records, they know who own
these firearms through the registration process, and have ordered
seizure and/or prosecution by law enforcement agencies throughout the
State.

A flyer printed by the San Diego Libertarian Party warns that "If this
trend continues we can expect that, in the future, other
semi-automatic firearms will be outlawed as well. The policies could
well spread state by state countrywide, outlawing semi-automatic
firearms of every sort. Seizure from those who abide by the law will
follow. Subsequent laws will eventually be targeted at pistols, rifles
and shotguns."

Some opponents of the new Connecticut law call it the 'turn in your
neighbor' law. They fear some people might attempt to use the law to
try to resolve petty disputes or to impose their views about guns on
their neighbors.

"The Constitution is being broken apart, piece by piece," said another
opponent of the new law.

The potential here for wholesale destruction of our remaining rights
is enormous. Opportunistic politicians around the country are sure to
jump onto the bandwagon unless we see serious political opposition,
and see it soon. Remember that this event turned on a weakness in one
political party which was quickly exploited by their victorious
opponents, and even if the tide turns at next election, we have lost
ground which will be difficult to regain."

Eddy again demonstrates that his widdle puddle in his widdle Blue
state matches his brain capacity.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6143039AAIVbUH

What are some examples of where gun registration lead to gun
confiscation?
Let's stick to fairly recent examples, say the last 25 years. Anywhere
in the world. Are there any?

You mean aside from Cuba, China, Russia, and most other totalitarian
states?

let's see...New Zealand, 1921 the ownership of revolvers were allowed
in the name of personal defense, 1970s this list was used to
confiscate all revolvers.

Canada...registration list 1990s, old guns grandfathered in, but this
list is used for the state to confiscate the guns upon the death of
the holder with no compensation to the estate

1996 Australia used it's list of registered semiauto hunting rifles to
confiscate all those weapons.

The UK government instituted handgun registration in 1921, and about
every 10 years or so they further restrict what can be owned and use
the registration rolls to collect what is illegal.

How about Chicago, put in registration of long guns, used that same
registration to confiscate semiauto long guns in the early 1990s

What about California, couldn't make up it's mind if the SKS was
covered or not (1989), decided AFTER the registration period was
closed that they needed to be registered, declared a second 'grace
period' for registration...then about 5 years ago they decided that
those SKSs registered during the grace period were illegal because the
grace period was illegal, and in certain cities and counties sent law
enforcement to the listed addresses demanding surrender of the
firearm. Because there is the legal option of removing the gun from
the state of CA, and these officers had no warrants, smart gun owners
turned them away with the claim 'I gave it to a relative in Oregon (or
whatever)' but MANY were seized with no compensation. (Cities and
counties later on offered compensation for anyone who had a receipt,
but the police weren't giving out receipts, only a few people who
demanded them had them and they were basically notes scribbled on
whatever spare paper the officer had)

Side Note, the SKS was the MOST common weapon in the hands of Korean
Shop Owners who used them to defend themselves and businesses when the
LA riots happened."


"Los Angeles Gun squad came to houses, slowly over years and took away
registered Assault Weapons. A friend of my Dad lost his, because his
"Paperwork" on an Armalite 180 was "wrong," Appears he didn't fill out
the form correctly. He abbreviated several times. So the police picked
up his gun. Two years before, the State of California asked all owners
of Assault Weapons to register them. They promised they would not use
the lists to confiscate any weapons.

Los Angeles Police Gun Squad is famous. Los Angeles is the second
largest city in America. There is ONE gun shop that sells handguns
within the actuall city limits. The LAPD gun squad found
technicalities to run the rest out. LAPD is very anti gun. If you fill
out a report for a stolen gun, you will get a long, rude, high
pressure lecture on why owning guns is wrong."

http://reason.com/archives/2005/09/1...s-on-the-bayou



That was a 30 second search. Yet Eddy couldnt be bothered to do just
that.

Gunner


3 years ago
The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie