On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:36:53 -0600, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

There has been a long history of the police, Federal police
(FBI/Marshals etc) use Machine guns, heavy weapons of war, armored
cars, tanks, airplanes, drones and siege power for many many years.

Look at the 20-30's - the onset of the FBI using B.A.R.'s and Tommie's
to hunt down the bad guys (really bad guys).

We have seen tanks, aerial bombs, poison and flammable gas in recent years.

In most home areas it just is impossible to fend against what they have.

You have to keep in mind the mentality. They won't wait they bore in.

Martin

snip
When the law comes for you - what would you do?
Are you going to shoot it out with them?
Or go along peacefully?

You seem to forget Athens Tennesee

Subject: Nightline: September 11, 1998
Date: 12 Sep 1994 02:59:49 GMT

Nightline: September 11, 1998

SAWYER: Hello, I'm Tom Sawyer and this...is Nightline.

[Theme music]

Tonight we'll be covering today's tradegy in Garden City, Kansas where
agents of the ATF Police were ambushed and massacred while attempting
to
serve a no-knock warrant on a suspected illegal arsenal.

[Begin clip: President Clinton stands at a podium in the press room of
the White House, the the Vice-President at his side. The camera zooms
in
on his drawn face.]

CLINTON: Today, thirty-two police officers of the United States
government
were brutally and ruthlessly murdered while in the sworn performance
of
their lawful duty.

[Edit transition.]

CLINTON: I want to express my sincere condolances to the families of
the
slain officers. I pledge to you that I will not rest until their
killers
have been brought to justice.

[Edit transition.]

CLINTON: I want to send a clear an unambiguous message to the
terrorists
out the This is not Beirut. This is not Sarajevo. This is not Rome.
This is America. And we will crush you under the full weight of the
United
States government. You have my word on that.

[End clip.]

SAWYER: In tonight's program we will be talking with Secretary of
Defense
Janet Reno, the Clinton administration's point person on domestic
terrorism.
Later we will be joined by Senate Majority Leader Phil Graham and
House Majority Leader Newt Gingrich. And we'll speak by satellite to
Colonel John Simpson, Army Retired and Professor Jerry White of the
New Freedom Front.

But first, we have an some exclusive footage from the scene of today's
attack. I want to warn our viewers, though, that the unedited clip you
are
about to see is extremely graphic and may not be suitable for young
children.

[Begin clip: a hand-held camera is being carried close to the ground
behind
three croching and running men dressed in black. Across the backs of
the men
is 'ATF Police'. Both the men and the camera stop at a low stone wall
facing
a small, one-story brick house.]

VOICE 1: All teams report in.

VOICE 2 OVER RADIO: Red team, ready.

VOICE 3 OVER RADIO: Blue team, ready.

VOICE 4 OVER RADIO: Green team, ready.

VOICE 5 OVER RADIO: Yellow team, ready.

VOICE 1: All teams, ready. Blue team, go.

[Three figures race across the front yard carrying a pole. Other
figures
take up positions behind the front porch. As the men carrying the pole
reach the front door, a loud crack breaks the silence and one man
stumbles
and falls to the ground. Almost as quickly, the other two stumble and
fall.
More shots punctuate the air.]

VOICE 1: Christ. Take cover. All teams, open fire...****!

[The camera turns to show two men down, blood sprayed across the stone
wall.
The camera pans eratically first left and then right and then falls to
the
ground facing one of the men laying motionless against the wall.]

VOICE 1: Ambush, ambush. All teams fall back. I repeat...

[More shots ring out and then silence. The sound of approaching
footsteps on
gravel grows steadily louder. The man in front of the camera opens his
eyes
and holds up one arm weakly.]

VOICE 6: Please, no...please.

[A single shot strikes his chest and the man flinches and then lays
motionless again. The camera is picked up and panned across the front
yard of th
e
house where other figures, wearing green fatigues are firing point
blank
into the motionless bodies of the ATF agents, one shot per body. This
done,
they sling their rifles and trot casually off in the direction they
came.]

VOICE 7: They're going to need some more ATF guys.

[End clip.]

SAWYER: When we come back, Attorney General Janet Reno.

[Begin clip.]

LOCAL POLICEMAN: I want to know what the ATF 'Police' were doing in my
town. I didn't invite them in. Why aren't they back in DC cleaning up
that
stinkhole of criminal vermin?

[End clip.]

[Commercial break.]

SAWYER: Welcome back to Nightline. With us now is Attorney General
Janet
Reno. Ms. Reno, what happened today?

RENO: Well, first, I'd like to know where you got that video.

SAWYER: It's my understanding that it was sent to us by an anonymous
source.
Perhaps someone within the ATF, itself.

RENO: That's not possible. Our agents didn't recover the tape. I think
that
your viewers should be aware that you are airing material provided by
the
terrorists.

SAWYER: Well, anyway, what happened?

RENO: An ATF task force was in the process of serving a warrant when
it came
under fire from behind. As you saw in the video, they were ruthlessly
butchered in cold blood by the terrorists.

SAWYER: On what evidence was the warrent served?

RENO: We had an anonymous tip.

SAWYER: Like the tip you had in the previous ambush?

RENO: The ATF receives hundreds of tips on illegal arsenals every day.
In
most cases, the warrants are served without incident. In this case,
the
agents involved followed procedure to the letter.

SAWYER: Doesn't that imply that the procedures are flawed?

RENO: We are in the process of reviewing our operating procedures but
I can
assure you that we will not cease our search for illegal arsenals and
we
will continue to act on tips from Americans about private arsenals.

SAWYER: What is being done in response to today's tragedy.

RENO: The FBI with the full cooperation of the ATF Police is currently
investigating this latest incident. Evidence has been collected and it
will
not be long before the terrorists are brought to justice.

SAWYER: This latest attack brings to 124 the number of slain ATF
agents.
Isn't it about time for some concrete results from these
investigations?
What leads are you currently following?

RENO: You know I can't comment on the specifics of an ongoing
investigation.

SAWYER: Sources inside the FBI inform us that so far there are no
solid
leads, that they have no idea who is behind these killings.

RENO: We all know who is behind them. The problem is collecting the
evidence
necessary for a conviction.

SAWYER: These same sources tell us that there is a growing friction
between
the FBI and the ATF over the enforcement of the administration's gun
control
policies. The fact that so many ATF agents have been killed with no
killings
of FBI agents...

RENO: That's simply absurd. Any suggestion that there is some sort of
division within this administration over policy is just absurd. It was
the
FBI which helped turn the tide against the gun industry by pledging
support
for gun control back in 1994.

SAWYER: Yes, but since that time, it has been consipcuously absent
from the
War on Guns.

RENO: The FBI does not have jurisdiction over the enforcement of the
administration's gun control policies. The ATF does.

SAWYER: It has been suggested that your recent appointment to the
Department
of Defense signals a change in strategy by the administration, that we
will
soon see units of the United States Army serving these warrants.

RENO: I don't think that it is proper for me to comment on such wild
speculation. These reports are based upon nothing that this
administration
has done or said but rather a desire on the part of certan subversive
elements to spread panic.

SAWYER: Even so, there have been reports that units of the Army are
now
training for urban warfare...

RENO: It is standard policy for the United States Army to be prepared
for
urban fighting given the nature of modern warfare.

SAWYER: Itsn't it unusual, though, for National Guard units to be
called
up when there is no ongoing conflict or disaster.

RENO: These units were called into federal service as part of a new
training
exercise. When the exercise is completed, they will be released.

SAWYER: We have to break for a a word from our sponsors right now but
when
we return we will be joined by Senate Majority Leader Phil Graham and
House
Majority Leader Newt Gingrich.

[Begin clip.]

SENATOR NORTH: Today's events are the natural consequence of this
Democratic
administration's war on the American people. The ATF got exactly what
it
deserved.

[End clip.]

[Commercial break.]

SAWYER: Welcome back. Senator Graham, what is the reaction of the
congressional leadership to this latest incident?

GRAHAM: Of course, we completely and uncategorically deplore this
latest
tragedy. The question of this administration's policies should not be
resolved by force of arms. This is a democracy, after all.

SAWYER: There are those in the Senate who have voiced the opinion that
this
was the proximate result of the administration's policies. They seem
to
imply that these killings, if not justifiable, are in some sense
understandable. Senator North, as we heard just before the break,
seems to
be of the opinion that it was President Clinton's policies which are
killing
the ATF agents.

GRAHAM: I don't think that is precisely what Senator North said but in
any
case his views are not the views of the majority of our party. But let
me
just add that we wouldn't be sitting here today if the administration
weren't
executing these laws...

RENO: The administration is enforcing the laws of the United States...

GRAHAM: If I may finish. Three times we have sent legislation to the
President to repeal the Gun Control Act of 1995. Three times it has
been
vetoed. It is absurd for the administration to continue to claim that
it
is just enforcing the law. These laws are wrong. They are ineffective.
And they are being abused. The ATF refuses to use them to bust gangs
right
here in the capital. It prefers instead to hunt down American citizens
who
have refused on principle to comply with the registration
requirements.
Requirements which, by the way, are completely unconstitutional.

RENO: I think that it is totally irresponsible for the Senator to
suggest as
he is now suggesting that these laws are somehow unconstitutional.
That
question was resolved by the Supreme Court in 1996...

GRAHM: After the court was packed to include...

RENO: The additional of new justices was necessary to reduce the case
load
and was completely legal as the Senator well knows.

GRAHAM: Look, Ms. Reno, Justices Mitchel and Babbit were hardly the
most
neutral choices to review this law. Packing the court to overturn its
previous ruling on the Gun Control Act of 1995 was exactly the kind of
power
politics that Americans have come to revile in this administration.

SAWYER: Are you suggesting that the federal government declare victory
and
bring its troops home.

GRAHAM: I'm saying that we wouldn't be here today discussing these
tragic
deaths if not for the misguided policies of this administration.

SAWYER: It sounds as if you are agreeing with Senator North.

GRAHAM: I don't think so. I think that these terrorists should be
brought
to justice. Senator North seems to think that they should be pardoned.

RENO: This just rediculous. Federal agents are being murdered and
we're
debating whether the killers should be pardoned or not.

SAWYER: We have to break for a commercial but first one quick
question:
Congressman Gingrich, will there be another attempt to overide the
administration's veto of the repeal of the Gun Control Act of 1995?

GINGRICH: You can count on it.

[Begin clip.]

HOUSEWIFE: It was like a war zone. It's a miracle nobody was
killed...I
mean nobody who lived in the neighborhood. It was terrible, awful. I
just
don't understand what's happening to this country. There was blood
everywhere.

[End clip.]

[Commercial break.]

SAWYER: Congressman Gingrich, it's widely expected that the
Republicans will
win the presidency in 2000. Will the Republicans repeal all, some, or
none
of the gun control laws which have been enacted over the course of
this
century in response to rising crime in America?

GINGRICH: The Republican Party, while not condoning the actions of
these
terrorists, believes that these laws are wrong and misguided. One way
or
another we intend to get them changed.

SAWYER: But will you repeal them all? Will you legalize semiautomatic
guns,
for example.

GINGRICH: I don't think that this is the proper time to debate which
laws
should be repealed and which should be refined. But clearly something
is
wrong with these policies.

RENO: What is wrong is that we have terrorists killing agents of the
United
States government and the other party talking surrender.

SAWYER: Congressman Gingrich, shouldn't the laws be strengthened given
that
they are clearly not doing their job? Should we perhaps consider
banning
sniper rifles as some groups are now suggesting?

GINGRICH: Well, that's exactly the kind of logic that got us into this
mess
in the first place. What are sniper rifles?

SAWYER: I think, for instance, they are the kind of guns that were
used to
kill the ATF agents today. High powered rifles with scopes and slings
like
the ones we saw in the video.

GINGRICH: What you are describing is the standard hunting rifle. Do
you
realize how many of those rifles are out there?

RENO: Enough to kill 124 federal agents.

GINGRICH: It's just not practical.

RENO: That's what the other party said about our ban on assault
weapons and
the registration of weapons' arsenals.

GINGRICH: And where has that gotten us today? Are our streets safer?
Is there
less crime in our cities? No. The fact is that the vast majority of
gun
owners are resisting these laws and, anyway, they are not being used
against
the truly violent criminals on our streets.

RENO: As a result of these laws, we have seized over 10,000 illegal
arms in
the last two years.

GINGRICH: You know what this sounds like? It sounds like the Vietnam
War
where the generals kept announcing victory based on body counts. The
administration claims success of the gun laws by counting guns seized
mostly from Americans with no prior criminal record.

RENO: Every gun that we get off the street is one less potential
death.

SAWYER: Well, I'm afraid we are out of time. I want to thank Attorney
General
Reno, Senator Graham and Congressman Gingrich for joining us tonight.
When we return, we'll talk to Colonel John Simpson, Army Retired and
Professor Jerry White of the New Freedom Front.

[Begin clip.]

ATF AGENT: We know who is behind these killings. I think that it is
time
we cracked down on the NRA and its 6.8 million criminal members. We
know
who they are. We know where they live. Let's go get them.

[End clip.]

[Commercial break.]

SAWYER: Welcome back. With us now is Colonel Simpson, Army Retired.
Colonel
Simpson help to formulate Army doctrine on counter-insurgency warfare.
Colonel Simpson, based on the video we watched, what can you tell us
about
these terrorists.

SIMPSON: Well, clearly they are professional. I would say they are
probably
veterans of the Gulf War based on they way that they have been
planning these
ambushes and carrying them out. In spite of what the administration
might
be implying, these are not your ordinary gangs. They are efficient
killers.

SAWYER: Why have they been so successful. Why hasn't the ATF been able
to
take effective countermeasures?

SIMPSON: They have effectively seized upon the ATF's greatest
weakness: its
zeal to enforce the Gun Control Act. The ATF is facing a great
delimna,
either cease to act on anonymous tips or face occassional ambushes
that
wipe out everyone involved. As we saw in Baxley, Georgia last summer,
even
when the ATF has had a back-up team on call, the results have been the
same.

SAWYER: Do you think that there could be an informant within the ATF?

SIMPSON: That's certainly possible but I don't think so. In any case,
it is
unnecessary. I think that it is more probable that the informants are
in the
very neighborhoods where the ambushes are taking place. All it takes
is for
someone to watch how the ATF agents disperse their forces. They can
then
direct the terrorists against them almost without fail.

SAWYER: Can the ATF not do anything?

SIPSON: Everyone likes to accuse the ATF of being incompetent but the
fact is
that there is little they can do short of staying in their offices.
The
very nature of their operations requires them to expose themselves to
ambush
at the place of choosing by the terrorists. To put it simply, the ATF
is
playing Russian roulette and when you play the game as much as the ATF
is
playing it, your going to take some shots now and then.

SAWYER: What about these bombings of IRS offices. Do you think that
there
is any connection with the ambushes of ATF agents?

SIMPSON: That's a tough question. Frankly, I don't know. The irony is
that
the very agency which is supposed to investigate the bombings is the
ATF.
There is every possibility that the killings of ATF agents are
connected
but so far there is no evidence beyond that coincidence.

SAWYER: Is the US Army going to become involved.

SIMPSON: God, I hope not. I'm not sure, though, how reliable a partner
the
Army is going to be in this war. There is a long-standing tradition
within
the armed forces of not becoming involved in domestic disturbances.
Certainly
the National Guard is not going to be any more effective than the ATF.
And I
don't think that the Army is going to appreciate cleaning up after
this
administration.

SAWYER: Is it possible that the National Guard units might be sent to
replace
active Army units which could, in turn, be sent to back up the ATF.

SIMPSON: That is the scenario that is being discussed by the groups
opposed
to the administration. That would certainly fit with the troop
movements that
we have been seeing. But, again, I don't know whether it can work. As
I said
before, it is not the failure of the ATF's tactics so much as the
administration's policies.

If, however, the Army units are used as a counter-ambush force on call
by
the ATF agents, then that could even up these firefights. They might,
for
example, be used to pursue the ambushers after the fact. But that
would be
after the ATF agents had already been killed and would involve
tracking a
force dispersing into the urban jungle. I just don't see any way for
them
to be effectively employed short of simply throwing them into the
front
line alongside the ATF agents.

SAWYER: When we return, we'll be joined by Professor White.

[Begin clip.]

HCI SPOKESMAN: Guns are killing Federal police officers in America.
It's time
to ban all guns. It's time to ban the NRA. It's time to make this
country
safe and governable once more.

[End clip.]

[Commercial break.]

SAWYER: With us now is Professor White of the New Freedom Front which
describes itself as a force for peaceful revolution. Professor White,
just
what is it that these terrorists are trying to prove?

WHITE: First, I'd like to clarify to the viewers that the New Freedom
Front
is in no way associated with the freedom fighters though we do
sympathize
with their anger toward the ATF.

SAWYER: But you are in contact with them?

WHITE: They notify us after they take action. In this case, we heard
from
them after we had already seen it on CNN.

SAWYER: What are they trying to accomplish?

WHITE: Simply put, they are raising the cost of enforcing the Gun
Control Act
to prohibitive levels. The guns that the ATF has seized in the last
two years
is insignificant in comparison to the number of guns out there. Ten
times
more guns are being smuggled in each year from China alone than are
being
seized by the ATF. And those aren't hunting rifles, those are fully
automatic AK-47s.

At the same time, the ATF has been decimated. The remaining agents are
more
committed than ever to seeking revenge against gun owners but the flow
of
new recruits has slowed to a trickle. And while the morale of the ATF
is
artifically high right now, it's only a matter of time before they
start
calling in sick and avoiding duty altogether.

SAWYER: Why only the ATF? Why haven't other law enforcement agencies
been
targeted?

WHITE: I think that the answer to that question is that the ATF is at
the
forefront of the the enforcement of the Gun Control Act. In spite of
what
Ms. Reno has claimed, the FBI has studiously avoided enforcing these
laws
letting the ATF take the brunt. Local law enforcement officers outside
of
the big cities have refused to have anything to do either with these
laws
or the ATF. The ATF is the administration's shock troops in this war
and
they have few allies in the legitimate law agencies.

SAWYER: The terrorists' tactics are effective but what of the loss of
life?
Surely you don't approve of that?

WHITE: I don't think that it is any secret that we regard the ATF as
the
heirs to the Gestapo but even so, they are human beings. They have
families.
I think that we should repeal these laws and end this bloodshed.

SAWYER: What about the bombings of IRS offices?

WHITE: I'm afraid I don't know anything about that. Though if there is
any
agency of the federal government that is despised more than the ATF,
it is
the IRS.

SAWYER: How do you think that the terrorists will react if the US Army
is
brought into the war.

WHITE: I think that they will continue their tactics though with far
greater
weight in their hearts.

SAWYER: I want to thank you and Colonel Simpson for being with us
tonight.

SIMPSON: My pleasure.

SAWYER: Please join us tomorrow night when the topic will be
Vice-President
Hillery Clinton's attempt to revive the Health Care debate by
attacking
medical schools.

[Theme music.]

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie